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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:54 pm

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why dont you put the entire chapter here so we can see what else it says you scallywag.

Definition: Herodion, a Christian in Rome, a relative of Paul. You eeediot! He was talking to Roman citizens (Paul was kinsman of Roman citizens that were also Israelites).

is that all youve got?
It is Paul's works that have given rise to dispensationalism. The context of the mentioned verses is simple enough for a child to grasp. James makes it more than clear that a man is justified by his works. And to clarify for you, I don't mean what is occupation is. Paul is faith plus nothing. This teaching clearly goes against the gospels. Every other apostle agrees with Christ except Paul. Nearly every mainstream Christian church believes they are in some church age which excludes them from obedience. Do you disagree with this?
Why did God have to test Abraham? Has God ever told you to kill your child? He didnt tell Abraham to kill Isaac until he was 115. You are mixing apples with oranges man. Why did he use Abraham as an example?

Tell us what "works" is.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:47 pm



I never called anyone an Edomite. It doesnt matter if Paul was the Easter bunny. He is teaching a different salvation than Yahshua. And also different than all the other apostles. Paul was likely a follower of Remphan, an early version of Freemasonry. Paul condems himself in his letter to Timothy were he says that the church at Ephesus was against him. Paul had no clue that Christ was going to blow his cover through a real apostle, John, in Revelation 2:2.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:01 pm

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I never called anyone an Edomite. It doesnt matter if Paul was the Easter bunny. He is teaching a different salvation than Yahshua. And also different than all the other apostles. Paul was likely a follower of Remphan, an early version of Freemasonry. Paul condems himself in his letter to Timothy were he says that the church at Ephesus was against him. Paul had no clue that Christ was going to blow his cover through a real apostle, John, in Revelation 2:2.
I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.

So thats it, all the apostles are deceivers......in your opinion. You are free to believe as you please, but I dont see anything factual.

So are you Eichmann or Walt this time or both?


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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:06 pm

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Why did God have to test Abraham? Has God ever told you to kill your child?  He didnt tell Abraham to kill Isaac until he was 115. You are mixing apples with oranges man. Why did he use Abraham as an example?

Tell us what "works" is.
The details of the testing are inconsequential. The point here is that one example shows the need for direct obedience, and the other(Paul’s) attempts to make people believe they are redeemed by faith alone. The entire point of the true apostle James for writing this verse is clear.


James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


The devils even do one better than Pauls followers, they tremble. You would do better to tear Pauls books and the book of Esther out of your bible.


Lets recap what Christ says about Paul



Revelation 2:2

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:11 pm

This is classic..


Romans 13:1-3
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? "

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:25 pm

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Have long-time doubts about Paul; seems like a Bossy Boots Jew (?) that waltzed into the Christian movement & appointed himself head honcho, writing laws as he saw fit. Paul seems legalistic vs Jesus' emphasis on personal conversion. The bit above about Paul messing up some 'proper' Torah-keeping is new to me. Just my 2 cents.
Some of the stupidest beliefs come from Paul in the Bible... So basically I am pro this little exercise in Biblical studies. Thomas Jefferson wrote some shit on him. I would suggest if Walt D isn't anti-Jefferson he post Thomas Jefferson's Bible cometary.

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:48 pm

James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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I dont see a damned thing wrong with this. Paul also said that the devil was in the seat of God  (which they were) they were called Edomites or JEWS.

You need to check out ALL the context with Paul first and call him a deceiver later.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:52 pm

WaltD wrote:
This is classic..


Romans 13:1-3
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? "
Romans 13:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


Which Bible are you reading from, John Hagee's?

You are the deceiver.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:07 pm

Eichmann wrote:
Bob Saget wrote:

Why did God have to test Abraham? Has God ever told you to kill your child?  He didnt tell Abraham to kill Isaac until he was 115. You are mixing apples with oranges man. Why did he use Abraham as an example?

Tell us what "works" is.
The details of the testing are inconsequential. The point here is that one example shows the need for direct obedience, and the other(Paul’s) attempts to make people believe they are redeemed by faith alone. The entire point of the true apostle James for writing this verse is clear.


James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


The devils even do one better than Pauls followers, they tremble. You would do better to tear Pauls books and the book of Esther out of your bible.


Lets recap what Christ says about Paul



Revelation 2:2

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
2;9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.



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3;9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

If you dont know who he is talking about there you must be a Jew (and Walt too)

So what you are saying is Jesus was telling John he knows Paul is a devil, is that your stance? Funny how James, the half brother of Jesus never thought so obviously.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:47 pm

Bob Saget wrote:

Why did God have to test Abraham? Has God ever told you to kill your child?  He didnt tell Abraham to kill Isaac until he was 115. You are mixing apples with oranges man. Why did he use Abraham as an example?
But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” 12 He said, p“Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.”

a supposed 'Angel of the lord' tested Abraham not God , God does not need to test for he is all knowing.

So apparantly this particular angel was an imposter.. now which angel might that be ? tricking abraham and the jews to believe he was their god and promising that their ' seed shall inherit the cities of their enemies ' ?

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:05 pm

Genesis 22:1-2

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22 And it came to pass after these things, that God (his name) did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:13 pm

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Genesis 22:1-2

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22 And it came to pass after these things, that God (his name) did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
Yes blood sacrifice is still a big thing in current satanism.. It is said you can't become famous in the music industry without a bloodsacrifice of someone close to you to get initiated and endowed with fortune and fame.

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:16 pm

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Genesis 22:1-2

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22 And it came to pass after these things, that God (his name) did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
His name was not used yet- it means "the supreme God".  You can also read while youre in Genesis that he only wiped out those "HE" created not the "people" he didnt create (the fallen angels). Why would he punish people nephilim he never told anything to?

It doesnt say Noah was a perfect man either, it says he was perfect in his genetics. What does "perfect" mean other than the way God created something?


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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:17 pm

Vidarr wrote:
Bob Sage wrote:
Genesis 22:1-2

King James Version (KJV)

22 And it came to pass after these things, that God (his name) did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
Yes blood sacrifice is still a big thing in current satanism.. It is said you can't become famous in the music industry without a bloodsacrifice of someone close to you to get initiated and endowed with fortune and fame.
You can thank Paul for doing away with rituals, he was the one who demanded they be done away with.

I'd have to pretty much agree with the music industry today. Anywhere people form together the Jew is at work. Amazing how they know to get in and do these things as a whole. "Love to love you Baby, ooh ooh" thats music? Thats the Jew. Rap is Jew too.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:41 pm

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King James Version (KJV)

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


Which Bible are you reading from, John Hagee's?
You are the deceiver.
A Newer more modern version, but of course, you prefer the Sodomite king james and his blasphemous version.
The Latin Catholic Douhey Rheimes is much more accurate and has no errrors, the 150 or so mistranslations the Sodomite King james does.
Heres 1899 Douhey Rheimes:

Quote :
Let every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God: and those that are, are ordained of God. Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation.
For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.
The Meaning and interpretation/translation from Paul is still the same in any translation...Submit TO Authority. Be SUBJECT. Dont Resist.
Paul, the famed Christian Killer before his conversion (so called), had an agenda.

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:54 pm

WaltD wrote:
Bob Saget wrote:


King James Version (KJV)

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


Which Bible are you reading from, John Hagee's?
You are the deceiver.
A Newer more modern version, but of course, you prefer the Sodomite king james and his blasphemous version.
The Latin Catholic Douhey Rheimes is much more accurate and has no errrors, the 150 or so mistranslations the Sodomite King james does.
Heres 1899 Douhey Rheimes:

Quote :
Let every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God: and those that are, are ordained of God. Therefore he that resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God. And they that resist, purchase to themselves damnation.
For princes are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good: and thou shalt have praise from the same.
The Meaning and interpretation/translation from Paul is still the same in any translation...Submit TO Authority. Be SUBJECT. Dont Resist.
Paul, the famed Christian Killer before his conversion (so called), had an agenda.
I dont want to turn this into a religious forum, its obvious to me now you arent a catholic of any kind. Why I would go back and forth with you now on what the Bible says is for naught. You didnt even know what an Edomite was 2 months ago and now you call Paul one. Its obvious to me that Ive been right about you for some time now (and it doesnt matter how many multiples you use).

You have said nothing of any substance- you have no back up even from the supposed Traditional Catholic church now. Show me a Traditionalist Catholic who believes this nonsense about Paul and I will think of continuing with you on this, till then none of us really know what you are.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:05 pm

Wally wrote:
A Newer more modern version, but of course, you prefer the Sodomite king james and his blasphemous version.
The Latin Catholic Douhey Rheimes is much more accurate and has no errrors, the 150 or so mistranslations the Sodomite King james does.
Heres 1899 Douhey Rheimes
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Where did they interpret their words? Lets go there. Does the Douhy say James was talking to the spiritual 12 tribes too?
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:07 pm

Why didnt you quote the Douhy to begin with? You dont know.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:15 pm



You are excommunicated!
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:52 pm

Dude,
I cant and wont respond to 4 posts addressing my one.
If youre that scattered brained, try some ritalin.

It is not Dogma that I cannot use critical thinking, question motives and motivations of early Church leadership.
Traditional Catholic or not is irrelevant. I just showed you and the entire board, Pauls take home message: Be Subject, Submit, Dont Resist.
Paul is not My Lord, Our Lord. Im not bound to venerate him, he never knew Christ, nor was an apostle, but self appointed.


Far as scripture, I used what was first accessible.
The meaning of Pauls verse is the same in any translation. Weve seen 3 thus far.  Douhey Rheimes can be hard for many to interpret and understand, as its the oldest of its kind, most authentic and accurate. It doesnt 'read well' but it is still the truest.
WHy didnt You use it? Why do you use the mistranslated Sodomite King James version?

F'in shill

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:08 am

Not to be Devil's Advocate but still confused about opposition to St Paul being permitted in Trad Catholic view? Seems that if any group was opposed to Paul it would be Fundy Prots but they are so corrupted they push all manner of crap esp OT BS. SSPX.org cites Paul often in their FAQ!
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:39 am

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Not to be Devil's Advocate but still confused about opposition to St Paul being permitted in Trad Catholic view?  Seems that if any group was opposed to Paul it would be Fundy Prots but they are so corrupted they push all manner of crap esp OT BS.  SSPX.org cites Paul often in their FAQ!
Im sure Im the minority (1%) as I engage in critical thinking. And mine was a sake of argument premise but I work backwards and still find merit to be critical.

Theres alot more to the story than what is told and taught..

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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:30 pm

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Far as scripture, I used what was first accessible.
The meaning of Pauls verse is the same in any translation. Weve seen 3 thus far.  Douhey Rheimes can be hard for many to interpret and understand, as its the oldest of its kind, most authentic and accurate. It doesnt 'read well' but it is still the truest.
WHy didnt You use it? Why do you use the mistranslated Sodomite King James version?

F'in shill
Translated from what? Can you show me? Are you incapable of translating words or do you need a Jew to help you with Greek?
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:04 pm

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Paul
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God

James
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
I never got Paul bashing thing Eich. Frankly it is a Jew thing. Infantcide makes muh apostle better then your apostle?

I first saw it on VNN, pretty much END OF THREAD fact wise.
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PostSubject: Re: The apostle Paul was the deceiver mentioned in Revelation   Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:30 pm

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Why did God have to test Abraham? Has God ever told you to kill your child?  He didnt tell Abraham to kill Isaac until he was 115. You are mixing apples with oranges man. Why did he use Abraham as an example?

Tell us what "works" is.
Oops sorry Bob missed this. I'd like to get and answer to this.

And Paul deniers please explain to Paul naming the Jew?

Douay-Rheims Bible
Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, who turn themselves away from the truth.

Darby Bible Translation
not turning their minds to Jewish fables and commandments of men turning away from the truth.

http://biblehub.com/titus/1-14.htm

The Epistle of Paul to Titus, usually referred to simply as Titus, is one of the three Pastoral Epistles (with 1 Timothy and 2 Timothy) traditionally attributed to Paul the Apostle and is part of the New Testament. It is addressed to Titus and describes the requirements and duties of elders and bishops.[1] Like 2 Timothy, this epistle is considered to be Paul's final instructions to early church leaders before his final departure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_Titus

I always like Paul's sense of humor

One of Crete's own prophets has said it: "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."

I always lie. Get it?
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