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PostSubject: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:43 pm

Rick Perry gets Hanukkah really wrong


Texas governor companies Jewish holiday to the Boston Tea Party

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(CNN) —On Tuesday night, Texas Gov. Rick Perry -- long a public fan of Judaism -- marked the beginning of the Jewish festival of Hanukkah by comparing it to the Boston Tea Party, which was celebrating its 241st anniversary the same day.

There is a parallel to be drawn here -- but Perry chose the wrong tea party and the wrong lessons.
Let's back up.
The Hanukkah story, to which Perry's statement made reference, is a fairly straightforward one: In the second century B.C., a small band of faithful Jews, led by Judah Maccabee, rose up against the oppressive Seleucid Empire, which had taken control of the Temple in Jerusalem, and won a surprising victory.
The Maccabees recaptured the Temple and rededicated it to the God of Israel. They found, however, that they had only one day's worth of oil for the holy lamps, the menorah -- but miracle of miracles, that oil lasted for eight days. Hence the Hanukkah we know and love: eight days of candles.
It is this story that Perry had in mind when he said, "The same spirit of freedom that inspired the Maccabees to rise up against a foreign empire motivated our Founding Fathers to rebel against the Crown on that fateful night. They knew, as the Jewish people know, that the few can overcome the many, that right can defeat might, that faith can transcend persecution."
Now, if we're talking about the traditional Hanukkah story described above, there are some problems with Perry's analogy. The most prominent might be the definition of "freedom."
For the Maccabees, what was at stake was the very existence of Judaism: The Temple, the very seat of God's dwelling on earth, was in the hands of pagans who prohibited Jewish worship there.
The Boston Tea Party was a complaint about excessive taxes.
Now, it's true that some Republicans have exhibited something close to religious fervor about the question of taxation in America. But we should not confuse economic oppression with religious persecution.
That "faith can transcend persecution" is usually not one of the lessons associated with the Revolutionary War. (Though it is the sort of language that one hears from the far right these days, almost regardless of whether the topic actually has anything to do with religion.)
There's also a question of degree.
The Boston Tea Party may have been an important symbolic act, and one whose importance has only grown with time, but it was still a symbolic act. This was people dressed up in costumes tossing tea into the water, to make a point to a government 3,000 miles away. The Revolutionary War didn't start for another two years after the Tea Party.
The Maccabees took up swords -- swords! -- against an occupying imperial army.
Perhaps more important: the traditional Hanukkah story, charming though it is, isn't what actually happened, or why.
It's true, the Maccabees took up arms to retake the Temple. But their fight wasn't really with the Seleucids, it was with other Jews.
For decades a bitter debate had raged among the Jews of the Hellenistic Empire: to assimilate or not to assimilate. In Jerusalem, in the Temple, the assimilationists had gained the upper hand and collaborated closely with the imperial powers. This caused great dismay among the orthodox traditionalists, mostly living in the country, and a civil war seemed imminent. The Seleucids stepped in to prevent any violence -- but, naturally, they took the side of the assimilationists.
The Maccabees were country boys, on the side of the traditionalists. When they recaptured the Temple, they were taking it back not only from the Seleucids, but from the assimilationist Jews who had (in the minds of the Maccabees and their followers) corrupted the old ways of worship.
As for the miracle of the oil lasting for eight days: That part of the story wasn't invented until hundreds of years later. It appears for the first time in the Talmud, which was finished in around the sixth century A.D. The real miracle of the Hanukkah event was the military victory of a small guerrilla force against an imperial army, and that's what was celebrated for centuries thereafter.
In this light, Perry's analogy to the Tea Party seems somewhat more apt -- but the analogy should be to the modern tea party movement, not to the Boston Tea Party of 1773.
A small group, mostly originating outside the urban centers, which considers itself to be upholding the old customs and beliefs of its nation, and which is vigorously opposed to the inclusion of foreign elements in the national culture -- that could be either the Maccabees or the tea party.
Throw in the occasional language of secession or government overthrow and we're almost all the way there.
This would seem to be strong ground for Perry to stand on: the tea party as modern Maccabees. The problem is that the rule established by the Maccabees wasn't quite as glorious as their initial victory.
Within a century of taking power in Jerusalem, the dynasty established by the Maccabees had become as Hellenized and assimilationist as the one it had overthrown. (Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.)
Its leaders took on the imperial title of "king" and took Greek names, and fought among themselves just as the Jewish rulers had before the Maccabees took over. A little more than 100 years after the great victory of independence, Jerusalem was retaken by the Romans, and Herod the Great took command as king of the Jews.
It is thus something of a grave historical error for Perry's statement to take this as the lesson of Hanukkah: "Our Republic, like the light of the ancient Menorah, has lasted longer than anyone could have predicted."
The myth of the long-lasting menorah is a distraction from the historical reality of the short-lived Jewish independence that followed the rededication of the Temple.
Perhaps worse, Perry said: "Chanukah reminds us of the power of faith to sustain a nation and ensure the security of our ally, Israel."
As the Maccabees learned long ago, and as modern Israelis well know today, faith is never a guarantee of national security.

Read more: http://www.wxii12.com/politics/rick-perry-gets-hanukkah-really-wrong/30275836#ixzz3MBLj0DPA

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:00 am

Hmm. Perry makes mistake of comparing ANY White thing to Judaism, Jews don't like that, as with comparing any persecution/genocide to Holohoax. He shoulda stuck w/announcing a simple Happy Hannukah.

That said, Hannukah story needs revision; it's obviously pat nonsense. Reality probably more like Seleucids cracking down on Jewish crime so Jews invented Persecution Story.
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:19 am

Hunnukah is anti-Greek. The Holocaust is anti-German. Purim is anti-Persian, and the Kol Nodrei prayer on Yom Kipper is anti-Spanish.
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:56 am

Still only this one comment, with one like...

Pepe • 21 hours ago
Kinda of sucks when CNN would have one believing that some old jewish fairy tale is more relevant than the undisputed acts of rebellion against authority that directly led to the birth of a once free and great nation.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:52 am

I think it's relevant that Boston Tea Party is taught so heavily in US schools. I once had a high school history teacher who liked to occasionally present revisionist views. She claimed that colonial tax complaints were exaggerated & that Royal taxes not all that high. Not sure if she was entirely accurate w/her neo-Tory story.

But my point is that school Revolutionary history gives little attention to things like 1750 Iron Act which hobbled US manufacturing & exports. This stuff is far more significant than a few taxes. London's plan, then & now, was to destroy US leadership in science/tech/mfg. I'm not sure how current schools teach globalism; I'd guess they present it as some Unavoidable Thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:27 pm

The take-away on the BTP lesson is that white thugs got dressed up as redskin savages to loot a legit commercial enterprise.  Racist and uncivil!

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Fri Dec 19, 2014 6:16 pm

EyeBelieve wrote:
...But my point is that school Revolutionary history gives little attention to things like 1750 Iron Act which hobbled US manufacturing & exports.  This stuff is far more significant than a few taxes.  London's plan, then & now, was to destroy US leadership in science/tech/mfg.  

Very useful point to contemplate. The UK is not always a natural ally of the US and who knows what the future holds?
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Fri Dec 19, 2014 7:52 pm

Here's good info on the british steel industry at that time, seems same old...

http://www.academia.edu/313093/Baltic_iron_and_the_British_iron_industry_in_the_eighteenth_century

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:13 pm

Rick Perry gets Hanukah wrong = Just another opportunity to discuss those "Oh so zany zhids"
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:42 am

Wag - looks like your guy Bobby Jindal is in 'hot water' too

Jindal going to a dopey Evangelical prayer event is 'inappropriate and possibly illegal' say 'Americans United for Separation of Church and State' (jewish organization)
........buuut Obama's annual hanukkah party in the White House is A-OK.

https://www.au.org/media/press-releases/drop-sponsorship-of-evangelical-christian-rally-au-tells-louisiana-gov-jindal

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:45 am

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Hunnukah is anti-Greek. The Holocaust is anti-German. Purim is anti-Persian, and the Kol Nodrei prayer on Yom Kipper is anti-Spanish.

Jews are anti- European, anti- Indo-European, and anti- European-American.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:51 pm

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Wag - looks like your guy Bobby Jindal is in 'hot water' too

Jindal going to a dopey Evangelical prayer event is 'inappropriate and possibly illegal' say 'Americans United for Separation of Church and State' (jewish organization)
........buuut Obama's annual hanukkah party in the White House is A-OK.

https://www.au.org/media/press-releases/drop-sponsorship-of-evangelical-christian-rally-au-tells-louisiana-gov-jindal


I actually prefer Jindall over Perry because you have to believe he really understand the jews, and he's racially less vulnerable to their media attacks.  He could probably get away with saying things Perry could not.  But you'll see the media write him off as a "flawed", non-contender.

But obvious hypocrisy with no media dogs barking at the Obama jewish celebration(s).

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:36 pm

FrontierJustice wrote:
Wag - looks like your guy Bobby Jindal is in 'hot water' too

Jindal going to a dopey Evangelical prayer event is 'inappropriate and possibly illegal' say 'Americans United for Separation of Church and State' (jewish organization)
........buuut Obama's annual hanukkah party in the White House is A-OK.

https://www.au.org/media/press-releases/drop-sponsorship-of-evangelical-christian-rally-au-tells-louisiana-gov-jindal


Jews don't care about the fact that "Establishment Clause" refers to Fed Gov't not States. Jindal needs to play Fundie to get Bible Belt voters. Kinda sad IMO: "Hindu" candidate might have some appeal to avg US voter who is often vaguely "spiritual" but not doctrinaire.
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Sat Dec 20, 2014 9:46 pm

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I actually prefer Jindall over Perry because you have to believe he really understand the jews, and he's racially less vulnerable to their media attacks.  He could probably get away with saying things Perry could not.  But you'll see the media write him off as a "flawed", non-contender.

But obvious hypocrisy with no media dogs barking at the Obama jewish celebration(s).

I would guess that any major politician 'understands the Jews' to some extent. Jindal seems smart enough but I haven't seen evidence that he has any special plan. Hillary's a sharp gal but she's gone down the Sell-Out Road.

BTW saw LaRouche article saying that Shillary will bow out & Bill will support another Demo candidate (they're perhaps referring to Liz Warren?).

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2014/4150lpac_dec_12_wbcst.html
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:53 pm

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BTW saw LaRouche article saying that Shillary will bow out & Bill will support another Demo candidate (they're perhaps referring to Liz Warren?).

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2014/4150lpac_dec_12_wbcst.html

Most Obama voters would vote for Warren.  But the election in 2016 is more about the tolerance level of the right, and their options in the face of the jew tea leaves.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:54 am

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Most Obama voters would vote for Warren.  But the election in 2016 is more about the tolerance level of the right, and their options in the face of the jew tea leaves.

Yeah, JMSM endlessly whines about "do-nothing Congress & Polarized Politics". Translation: everything is perfectly controlled so DemoPubs need to create illusion of opposition.

Heh, tonite I heard some Repub guy implying that social-welfare cuts would be neo-Keynseian stimulus. All the GOP guys seem to be toeing the Jew-Wall St Line.
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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:45 am

EyeBelieve wrote:
wag wrote:
I actually prefer Jindall over Perry because you have to believe he really understand the jews, and he's racially less vulnerable to their media attacks.  He could probably get away with saying things Perry could not.  But you'll see the media write him off as a "flawed", non-contender.

But obvious hypocrisy with no media dogs barking at the Obama jewish celebration(s).

I would guess that any major politician 'understands the Jews' to some extent.  Jindal seems smart enough but I haven't seen evidence that he has any special plan.  Hillary's a sharp gal but she's gone down the Sell-Out Road.

BTW saw LaRouche article saying that Shillary will bow out & Bill will support another Demo candidate (they're perhaps referring to Liz Warren?).

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2014/4150lpac_dec_12_wbcst.html

Looking at the bigger picture, it would actually be 'good for the cause' if a sucky Democratic candidate won in '16, because it would just push the 'right' further to the point of where they need to be -- being fed up, and starting to look for political solutions outside of the jew-rigged pop political system. Jacob is right when he says that it's within our means and ultimately 'doable' for Americans to form their own voting blocks (with the advent of a powerful grass roots movement) and just bypassing the popular jew-rigged sham political apparatus entirely (ultimately rerouting it). Civilians are completely capable of filling 'administrative' and 'self-defense/security' roles within communities, across the board. The worse thing Democratic/liberal ideology ever created was the false-deceptive concept that 'people can't make it' without an all-powerful big brother 'looking out for us'.

Of course jews will try to co-opt such s movement from arising, as they always have been working on - that's what the Tea Party was an early move on. But Wag is right, "the election in 2016 is more about the tolerance level of the right, and their options in the face of the jew tea leaves." A republican winner is almost certain, and if it's another Trojan-horse poodle opportunist like Rand Paul or Ted Cruz et al, then the right will just become sedated and 'mellowed out' with a cheap jew victory, just as the dems were with Obama, keeping things 'same-old' -- i.e. further jew takeover of all aspects of American life, and further danger internally and externally as a broken and exhausted nation. Third scenario (which Wag is sort of hinting at the possibility of), you get a Republican closet-nationalist who turns on the jews and is faintly reminiscent of Putin. I'd like to think it were that easy, but jews have more control in this country than they have ever have, so realism tells me it's going to have to go the hard route (grass roots revolution).

Ultimately the answer is the dissolving of the left/right false paradigm and becoming something entirely new, a 'new American type', and it becomes 'us vs them'. You don't need to mesh the left and right together (it doesn't work), you need to speak an entirely new language, and be too good to ignore. You have to take numbers away from all the other sides, and bring them to your side.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:14 am

Problem is, you can't get power back from the jews once they have it (they have it) without calling them out.  Who's going to call them out and go anywhere (but down) by doing it?

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:56 pm

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Problem is, you can't get power back from the jews once they have it (they have it) without calling them out.  Who's going to call them out and go anywhere (but down) by doing it?

Someone with a lot of friends.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:46 pm

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wag wrote:
Problem is, you can't get power back from the jews once they have it (they have it) without calling them out.  Who's going to call them out and go anywhere (but down) by doing it?

Someone with a lot of friends.


Someone with a lot of POWER.  But what defines power in today's political model?  One would need a solid defense to go along with strong offensive capabilities.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:50 pm

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FrontierJustice wrote:

Someone with a lot of friends.

Someone with a lot of POWER.  But what defines power in today's political model?  One would need a solid defense to go along with strong offensive capabilities.

100%

I'd say a heavy aspect of true power today, would mean someone who can say what most politicians, or various leaders, or revolutionaries etc won't allow themselves to say (out of fear of jew retribution), because his physical defense is 'above par' appropriate. So it's about political and tactical resources and severe cunning, but also about someone or a group of someones who gain natural popularity through inherent talents, aptitude, strength of character, intelligence and cunning, and true-to-heart-and-blood care for the people. Has to be someone who can gain mass support through exceptional natural appeal, exceptional rightness, exceptional severity, where money can't control the outcome of things because that power (now a wildfire) trumps it.

And being jew wise must be wired into their DNA, while at the same time not coming off vulgar, twisted, unrealistic, or out of touch. Someone who can connect with the people and have them connect with him, while at the same time calling out the jew with new language that can dodge character assassination.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:31 pm

Jews would stop that in it's tracks.  They nip in the bud.  Three ways it could be done:  1) military coup, 2) get elected Pres pretending to be for jews, then when in office, consolidate power and pull off the mask, 3) a real good song.

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:08 am

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Jews would stop that in it's tracks.  They nip in the bud.  Three ways it could be done:  1) military coup, 2) get elected Pres pretending to be for jews, then when in office, consolidate power and pull off the mask, 3) a real good song.

#1: probably the most possible of the 3 to actually happen
#2: probably the least likely of the 3 to actually happen
#3: the most effective thing a pop star could do (whether musician or movie star), is to maximize popularity first, and just stay free of involvement in jew garbage -- then drop a social bomb, preferably with as many other famous artists as possible, all at once with a huge independent highly organized media blitz and backed by private money (kind of like #2) - the initial popularity would be just a means to an end

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PostSubject: Re: Rick Perry's Hanukkah/Tea Party statement has jews buzzing   Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:19 am

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wag wrote:
Jews would stop that in it's tracks.  They nip in the bud.  Three ways it could be done:  1) military coup, 2) get elected Pres pretending to be for jews, then when in office, consolidate power and pull off the mask, 3) a real good song.

#1: probably the most possible of the 3 to actually happen
#2: probably the least likely of the 3 to actually happen
#3: the most effective thing a pop star could do (whether musician or movie star), is to maximize popularity first, and just stay free of involvement in jew garbage -- then drop a social bomb, preferably with as many other famous artists as possible, all at once with a huge independent highly organized media blitz and backed by private money (kind of like #2) - the initial popularity would be just a means to an end


I wouldn't bet on #1.  Been there.

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