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PostSubject: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Fri Dec 26, 2014 12:52 pm

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By EMMA G. FITZSIMMONSDEC. 20, 2014
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The viral video star Johnny T, from the Glove and Boots YouTube channel, talks to The New York Times about “manspreading,” the bane of many New York City subway riders.
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It is the bane of many female subway riders. It is a scourge tracked on blogs and on Twitter.
And it has a name almost as distasteful as the practice itself.
It is manspreading, the lay-it-all-out sitting style that more than a few men see as their inalienable underground right.
Now passengers who consider such inelegant male posture as infringing on their sensibilities — not to mention their share of subway space — have a new ally: the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.
Taking on manspreading for the first time, the authority is set to unveil public service ads that encourage men to share a little less of themselves in the city’s ever-crowded subways cars.
The targets of the campaign, those men who spread their legs wide, into a sort of V-shaped slouch, effectively occupying two, sometimes even three, seats are not hard to find. Whether they will heed the new ads is another question.
Riding the F train from Brooklyn to Manhattan on a recent afternoon, Fabio Panceiro, 20, was unapologetic about sitting with his legs spread apart.
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Manspreading in action. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority will address the practice as part a new ad campaign. Credit Hiroko Masuike/The New York Times
“I’m not going to cross my legs like ladies do,” he said. “I’m going to sit how I want to sit.”
And what if Mr. Panceiro, an administrative assistant from Los Angeles, saw posters on the train asking him to close his legs? “I’d just laugh at the ad and hope that someone graffitis over it,” he said.
For Kelley Rae O’Donnell, an actress who confronts manspreaders and tweets photos of them, her solitary shaming campaign now has the high-powered help of the transportation authority, whose ads will be plastered inside subway cars.
“It drives me crazy,” she said of men who spread their legs. “I find myself glaring at them because it just seems so inconsiderate in this really crowded city.”
When Ms. O’Donnell, who lives in Brooklyn and is in her 30s, asks men to move, she said, they rarely seem chastened: “I usually get grumbling or a complete refusal.”
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Kelley Rae O’Donnell, who confronts manspreaders and posts their photos online, captured an image of one on a train this month. Credit Hiroko Masuike/The New York Times
The new ads — aimed at curbing rude behavior like manspreading and wearing large backpacks on crowded trains — are set to go up in the subways next month. They will all carry the slogan, “Courtesy Counts: Manners Make a Better Ride.”
One of the posters is likely to be especially welcome to women — as well as to men who frown on manspreading: “Dude... Stop the Spread, Please” reads the caption next to an image of riders forced to stand as a man nearby sits so that he takes up two seats.
The campaign is the latest in a long line of courtesy-themed crusades by the authority going back to at least the 1940s. One such ad urged women annoyed by impolite male riders to, “Hit Him Again Lady, We Don’t Like Door-Blockers Either.”
The new ads come as more riders are crowding onto the subways than at any time in recent history. In 2014, the system logged as many as 6.1 million riders on a single day, up from just under 5.1 million riders on the busiest day a decade ago. The city’s population, meanwhile, has swelled to more than 8.4 million people, pushing everyone closer and closer.
With crime no longer rampant on the subway, the campaign is the latest sign that other unwelcome behavior is getting attention.
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A poster taking aim at the practice of manspreading is part of a new civility-themed campaign by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority. Credit Metropolitan Transportation Authority.
Several blogs regularly highlight instances of manspreading where knees stretch several feet apart. On some sites, images of large objects like the Death Star from “Star Wars” have been added with Photoshop into the space between the splayed legs. While there are women who take up more than their share of space, the offenders are usually men.
One admitted manspreader, John Hubbard, sat with his legs wide apart on an F train as it traveled through Manhattan recently.
“It’s more comfortable,” he said with a shrug.
Mr. Hubbard, 45, an engineer who lives in New Jersey, said he might move his leg, but not for just anyone. For an older person, he would. And for an attractive woman, he said, he definitely would.
Sherod Luscombe shook his head when he saw two men sitting with their legs spread on another train, taking up three seats between them. Mr. Luscombe, 58, a clinical social worker, said he thought the men should move, but he was not about to confront them.
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“I’m not going to say, ‘Bro, there is a lady standing up right there. Cross your legs, young man,’ ” he said.
Women have theories about why some men sit this way. Some believe it is just a matter of comfort and may not even be intentional. Others consider it an assertion of power, or worse.
Bridget Ellsworth, a 28-year-old music teacher, views manspreading as sexual harassment because some men engage in it near her even when the subway car is not packed.
“They could move over and spread out their legs all they want,” she said, “but they’re squeezing next to me and doing it.”
For men who think that sitting with their legs spread is socially acceptable, manners experts say it is not. Peter Post, the author of the book “Essential Manners for Men” and great-grandson of etiquette guru Emily Post, said the proper way for men to sit is with their legs parallel rather than in a V-shape.
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As this poster from an earlier public service campaign shows, today’s manspreader may be related to the space hog of old. Credit Courtesy of the New York Transit Museum
“I’m baffled by people who do that kind of thing, who take other people’s space,” he said.
Olof Hansson, a director of the Manhattan men’s spa John Allan’s, put it more succinctly. “A true gentleman doesn’t sit on the subway, he stands.”
As for men who may worry that crossing their legs could hurt their virility, doctors say there is nothing to fear. A half-hour train ride with legs crossed might raise testicular temperatures, but not long enough to do any harm, said Dr. Marc Goldstein, director of the center for male reproductive medicine and microsurgery at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital Weill Cornell Medical Center.
Philadelphia has a new etiquette campaign, too, with posters that say, “Dude It’s Rude... Two Seats — Really?”
But Kristin Geiger, a spokeswoman for the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, said the campaign in the City of Brotherly Love is aimed at passengers with bags on seats, not people spreading their legs too far apart. Manspreading, she said, may be a “localized” problem in New York. “I don’t know of any complaints that have come through customer service about manspreading,” she said. Transit officials in Chicago and Washington said the phenomenon is not a major concern for riders in those cities either.
In New York, the transportation authority went back and forth about what tone to take when tackling the topic, said Paul Fleuranges, the authority’s senior director for corporate and internal communications. Officials knew it could be ripe for parody on late night television and did not want their approach to be too snarky. But Mr. Fleuranges said he knew that the ads had to speak directly to the spreaders.
“I had them add the dude part,” he said, “because I think, ‘Dude, really?’ "

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:16 am

Aw jeez, just when we thought NYC life was near-perfect! Once read a book by a southern writer who noted New Yorkers pushing & shoving in lines; he wrote that such behavior likely to get one killed in the South. A relative used to live in NYC some time ago; once a coupla Blacks robbed the whole subway car. Perps didn't even use a gun, were sort of polite...as if everybody knew the routine. But yeah, Jews say NYC virtually crime-free now, undoubtedly they're telling the truth.

Remember the "Pimp Walk"? Back in 70's every Negro male under 40 had to walk w/that strange hitch in the stride.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:20 pm

When I get one of them on a plane I let em know immediately. Im not gonna fret about it the whole trip.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:59 pm

                Where's the beef?

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:55 pm

Crossing legs bad for the circulation; for men it looks kinda ghey too IMO. Also, in some cultures (Asian for example) it's considered rude to expose shoe soles forward.

FWIW subways would be much more efficient if able-bodied folks stood up & just a few seats for elders etc. In DC Metro most common problem is doorway hogs, passive-aggressive territorial thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:18 pm

I cannot cross my legs like that and hold the position for longer than a few seconds.

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sun Dec 28, 2014 12:30 am

Old-timey Negroes liked those long sheer socks, kinda weird IMO but at least they don't risk showing calf.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:57 am

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I cannot cross my legs like that and hold the position for longer than a few seconds.

Congratulations .. you are a man

It is actually a fact that Men are not build to sit like that. you would need a feminin body type to be able to do that.

That is also why it is instinctively viewed as gayish.


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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:59 am

as for the woman who wote the article..

Men have Balls which do not take lightly to being squeezed.


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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:43 pm

As a female I will say it is bloody annoying & yet another illogical manifestation of useless patriarchy & what it's done to men. It's more than just a space issue...and as a commuter I'm frequently affected by this, despite being model-sized. I don't think it's strictly a ghetto attribute; men of all kinds do this.

I won't demand men cross their legs for as long as females but blatantly refusing to do so expressly bc one thinks it "looks gay" is yet another illogical consequence of patriarchy. Rolling Eyes I swear I know same sex attracted males who are act more adult-like than some straight guys.

And I don't ask that guys cross their legs as an alternative to unmannerly "manspreading". It is possible to just not spread your legs as wide. It won't harm testicles AFAIK. I've seen relatively large men be considerate & make themselves as small as possible to accommodate me -sadly this is RARE- & I've seen thin/lean guys take up 2 seats with their limbs.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:28 pm

On DC Metro there's many thousands of obese Black women that take up >1 seat no matter how compactly they sit. I agree "manspreading" is rude but it's fairly harmless compared to the Negro crime often seen in DC/NYC.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:10 pm

I guess I should add that overweight women -usually African or Afro-mixed here- also pose the same problem as these men, except their sheer size is the problem, not the posture.

I'll wager close to the majority -maybe already that- of Afro women here are overweight &/or heading there. They're bloody huge, imposing & unapologetic. Several times I've exited a taxi & asked the driver to return my fare.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:12 pm

Started writing my comment on black women before you posted, EB. Got distracted. Yes, I agree. I wouldn't want to live in any of America's black-dominated cities.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:42 pm

I've been riding DC metro for decades.  Never once have I seen a white man responsible for what they imply.  I am always seeing young blacks, both genders, doing this.  And when they are sleeping, you let them.

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:17 pm

This is just yet another attempt to emasculate the American men.
Kinda like with panty-like underwear, and new American household toilets are usually the round type, not elongated. And don't forget to circumcise your boys. Jews are in control and they don't want any challenges.

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:25 pm

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As a female [..]

I won't demand men cross their legs for as long as females but blatantly refusing to do so expressly bc one thinks it "looks gay" is yet another illogical consequence of patriarchy.

Listen.. unlike women we men have a package between our legs that prohibits us from squeezing our legs together, we simply can not I repeat can not comfortably close our legs.

Also the reason we have our balls in an exterior sack is due to the fact that for healthy sperm production the testicles need to be kept cooler than body temp. Squeezing stuff together obviously doesn't help. hence the instinctive widespread posture.

And no we are not going to apologize for being men as nature designed us to be.

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:07 am

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And no we are not going to apologize for being men as nature designed us to be.

How's the bachelor life these days?

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:18 pm

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And no we are not going to apologize for being men as nature designed us to be.

How's the bachelor life these days?

Do you also apologize for being white ?

LOL Do you have any idea how many of those "emancipated" women are single and desperate ? if not to say unhappy/depressed with their emancipated life.

They may not openly say so but most women long back to their traditional role as mother/housewife and want men to be men again. And that's not because i want them to , because to me every person has it's God given right to free will.

And ofcourse there is a difference between the manly sitting position and the exaggerated antisocial sitting position. But it seems that nuance is easily lost in feminist discussions

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:08 pm

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How's the bachelor life these days?

Do you also apologize for being white ?

LOL Do you have any idea how many of those "emancipated" women are single and desperate ? if not to say unhappy/depressed with their emancipated life.

They may not openly say so but most women long back to their traditional role as mother/housewife and want men to be men again. And that's not because i want them to , because to me every person has it's God given right to free will.

And ofcourse there is a difference between the manly sitting position and the exaggerated antisocial sitting position. But it seems that nuance is easily lost in feminist discussions

We hope!

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:56 pm

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Listen.. unlike women we men have a package between our legs that prohibits us from squeezing our legs together, we simply can not  I repeat can not comfortably close our legs.

Also the reason we have our balls in an exterior sack is due to the fact that for healthy sperm production the testicles need to be kept cooler than body temp. Squeezing stuff together obviously doesn't help. hence the instinctive widespread posture.

And no we are not going to apologize for being men as nature designed us to be.

Calm down dude. I never demanded that men should snap their legs closed when sitting & crush their testicles in the process. Rolling Eyes

Please don't lecture me about the reason for testicles being exterior; I'm educated in biological sciences. Not sure why you mentioned it; no one was complaining about male anatomy, just inconsideration of males.

Men can refrain -comfortably & injury-free- from spreading too wide & causing discomfort to others.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:34 am

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Do you also apologize for being white ?

LOL Do you have any idea how many of those "emancipated" women are single and desperate ? if not to say unhappy/depressed with their emancipated life.

They may not openly say so but most women long back to their traditional role as mother/housewife and want men to be men again. And that's not because i want them to , because to me every person has it's God given right to free will.

And of course there is a difference between the manly sitting position and the exaggerated antisocial sitting position. But it seems that nuance is easily lost in feminist discussions

Vidarr, you're overreacting. Neutral You sound like an irrational, insecure man. The kind who sees an insult to his masculinity in every corner & insists that limiting rights of others is the only way to secure his own rights & freedom.
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:26 am

"Feminists" in Germany, Sweden etc have a movement to get men to pee sitting down (esp public toilets). Rolling Eyes I guess that's an outgrowth of the "putting down the toilet seat" movement.

I find it rather weird that folks regularly spend $10K's on home bathroom remodels but never include a urinal. I guess it's too institutional-looking but would seem to solve the "controversy".
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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:46 am

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Vidarr, you're overreacting. Neutral You sound like an irrational, insecure man.

LOL @ woman calling a man irrational and insecure. with all due respect you know very well that's hilarious..
Sorry that feminist tactic depicting man as weak for not complying to the feminist agenda doesn't work on me.

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The kind who sees an insult to his masculinity in every corner & insists that limiting rights of others is the only way to secure his own rights & freedom.

so exactly what part of  " that's not because i want them to , because to me every person has it's God given right to free will "
did you not get ?

I'm not the one writing an airheaded article  complaining about men sitting like men.
I explained why men sit that way and that there is no reason to be pushed into any sort of guilt complex about it.
That article is not about men supressing women, It's about some jewish hag trying to talk women into hating men for being men and attempting to convince men into demasculation. And as a result of that feminist agenda of undermining the natural bond between men and women in their own gender roles, Many women have become unhappy / depressed and single  begging for some cheap male attention on dating sites.

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:22 pm

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Vidarr, you're overreacting. Neutral You sound like an irrational, insecure man.

LOL @ woman calling a man irrational and insecure. with all due respect you know very well that's hilarious..
Sorry that feminist tactic depicting man as weak for not complying to the feminist agenda doesn't work on me.

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The kind who sees an insult to his masculinity in every corner & insists that limiting rights of others is the only way to secure his own rights & freedom.

so exactly what part of  " that's not because i want them to , because to me every person has it's God given right to free will "
did you not get ?

I'm not the one writing an airheaded article  complaining about men sitting like men.
I explained why men sit that way and that there is no reason to be pushed into any sort of guilt complex about it.
That article is not about men supressing women, It's about some jewish hag trying to talk women into hating men for being men and attempting to convince men into demasculation. And as a result of that feminist agenda of undermining the natural bond between men and women in their own gender roles, Many women have become unhappy / depressed and single  begging for some cheap male attention on dating sites.

Vidar, you're wise.  You know women add unwanted complexities, and thus you've written them off.  Looking back, maybe I didn't give the option enough consideration.  Gotta weigh everything!  pig

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PostSubject: Re: Manspreading or just sitting ghetto style?   Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:28 pm

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Vidar, you're wise.  You know women add unwanted complexities, and thus you've written them off. 
I have not written off women.. i love them, But when they start acting silly i just frown and ignore it. Do not let yourself be dragged into their weird world of thoughts or you'll end up stuck in crazy.



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