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PostSubject: Why Torvalds isn't media-worshipped like Gates or Jobs, and "diversity" to the rescue of the source code?   Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:21 pm

Linus Torvalds diversity gaffe brings out the best (and worst) of the open source world


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Time for a change in the open-source community?


By Matt Weinberger
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Computerworld | Jan 23, 2015 10:11 AM PT  

It all started at the Linux.conf.au Conference, when Nebula developer (and former colleague) Matthew Garrett kicked off a post-keynote Q&A session with Linux kernel creator Linus Torvalds by asking about his often-abrasive, super-aggressive tone on official mailing lists. 

"I'm not a nice person, and I don't care about you. I care about the technology and the kernel—that's what's important to me," went his response (in part), per the Ars Technica report. He also dismissed talk of diversity as "just details and not really important."

This set the tone for the remainder of his session, where he dismissed questions about diversity in the open-source community with responses along the same lines. To Linus Torvalds, it seems, the means justify the ends.

Reaction has been mixed, as you may expect: Torvalds is a legend in the community, and many on social media, forums and the world at large sprung to his defense. Of note is a satirical (in the loosest sense of "satire") project on GitHub by the so-called "Feminist Software Foundation," boasting a fork of the core Linux kernel revamped to reflect a strawman vision of feminism. To wit: "There is no objective way to determine whether one person's code is better than another's. In light of this fact, all submitted code will be equally accepted. However, marginalized groups, such as wom*n and trans* will be given priority in order to make up for past discrimination."


The message is loud and clear. Meritocracy of the kind espoused by Torvalds at the conference is a powerful idea in the world of software development: What you can do is more important than what you look like or how you relate to other people, which is a large part of where people who work in technology get their reputations as tactless hoodie-wearing misanthropes.

But there's a growing sentiment that nowadays, when Intel is announcing a $300 million diversity fund to bring more women and minorities into the company and its leadership, and when victims of online harassment are banding together to fight back, the open-source world's vision of meritocracy as exemplified by Torvalds is outdated and obsolete. Copping an attitude doesn't just make a project unpleasant to work on -- it keeps very smart, very talented people from even wanting to put themselves in such a toxic situation.

Garrett's question must have struck a nerve, because open-source advocates took to Twitter and their blogs to express their frustrations with Torvalds and the open-source world at large, saying his abrasiveness kept people out of the community. It's not a new grievance, by any means, but its time has come around again. A popular tweet by coder Bodil Stokke captured the feeling: 

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I've been hacking on the Linux kernel for more than 20 years. Why did I never get involved in the project? This guy. http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/01/linus-torvalds-on-why-he-isnt-nice-i-dont-care-about-you/ …
6:32 PM - 15 Jan 2015

Linus Torvalds on why he isn’t nice: “I don’t care about you”









By Sam Machkovech @samred
"I care about the technology and the kernel—that's what's important to me."

The conversation restarted yesterday when CPython core developer and Red Hat employee Nick Coghlan posted a blog entry called Abusing Contributors is Not OK. The upshot: It's fine if you're not nice or even if you don't care (Coghlan says empathy is something he struggles with himself), but your bad attitude and focus on merit comes with a significant impact to the quality of the technology involved. Coghlan writes:
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[What] I do care about, passionately, is helping the best ideas win (where I include "feasible" as part of my definition of "best"). Not the "best ideas from people willing to tolerate extensive personal abuse." The best ideas anyone is willing to share with me, period. And I won't hear those ideas unless I help create environments where all participants are willing to speak up, not just those that are prepared to accept a blistering verbal barrage from a powerful authority figure as a possible consequence of attempting to participate. Those are upsetting enough when they come from random strangers on the internet, when they come from someone with enormous influence not only over you and your future career, but also your entire industry, they can be devastating.
Coghan makes a long, cogent case for a more tolerant, understanding contributor base where ideas succeed without the yelling, screaming, and yes, abuse. If you're really after the best ideas for free code, he asked, why are you imposing the unrelated skill requirements of "able to put up with bad behavior" and "able to tolerate personal abuse from the community and from project leaders?"

Responses poured in, and many chimed in with their agreement. The post was briefly a hit at popular Silicon Valley news aggregator Hacker News. I say briefly, because it was flagged and taken down by people who apparently were very upset by the notion that being nice to people might improve the state of open-source software. (It's worth noting that Hacker News staff eventually reposted, but the damage had been done.) This presents its own challenges, per a tweet by Garrett:

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Hey @paulg you've created a website catering to people unwilling to even discuss the existence of an abusive culture
2:29 PM - 22 Jan 2015  Mountain View, CA, United States


Diversity is going to characterize a lot of the conversations about technology in 2015. The arrow of history is pointing towards greater inclusiveness, and the participatory nature of the open-source world places it in an excellent position to lead the way. But there's a lot of friction, and a lot of pushback. It's really up to the community to decide what it wants to be -- and who it wants to represent its ideals to the world.

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PostSubject: Re: Why Torvalds isn't media-worshipped like Gates or Jobs, and "diversity" to the rescue of the source code?   Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:44 am

Yesterday Jeopardy had a question about Torvalds, at least the contestant got the answer right. Perhaps most important question is why open-source/Linux so sidelined from mainstream computing. US DOJ fought faux-fight vs MicroSoft viz IE bundling. Just cover for fact that whole intellectual property scheme in US tilted to Jew profiteers. Euros not much better, gave MS a slightly bigger slap on the wrist.

US Feds gave MS a huge boost by buying PC's by the millions. No good reason why they couldn't have got behind Linux & thus spurred associated software development rather than proprietary MS Office etc. Right now public interest in Linux seems to be waning, folks using dumb tablets & cell phones. Tax Prep ads even brag about being able to do taxes on phones.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Torvalds isn't media-worshipped like Gates or Jobs, and "diversity" to the rescue of the source code?   Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:16 pm

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He also dismissed talk of diversity as "just details and not really important."

This set the tone for the remainder of his session, where he dismissed questions about diversity

Sounds like some jews were in attendance and hijacked the conference to make it about their agenda.

He didn't play along, hence the media assassination of him and the photo.


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PostSubject: Re: Why Torvalds isn't media-worshipped like Gates or Jobs, and "diversity" to the rescue of the source code?   Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:59 pm

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He also dismissed talk of diversity as "just details and not really important."

This set the tone for the remainder of his session, where he dismissed questions about diversity

Sounds like some jews were in attendance and hijacked the conference to make it about their agenda.

He didn't play along, hence the media assassination of him and the photo.

Neither Jobs nor Gates could program anything but their jew marketing monopolies.  Linus on the other hand is dangerous!

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PostSubject: Re: Why Torvalds isn't media-worshipped like Gates or Jobs, and "diversity" to the rescue of the source code?   Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:22 pm

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Neither Jobs nor Gates could program anything but their jew marketing monopolies.  Linus on the other hand is dangerous!

It's much more difficult for open-source jewish 'contributers' to write in backdoors to the kernel with someone like Linus to get it past.

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PostSubject: Re: Why Torvalds isn't media-worshipped like Gates or Jobs, and "diversity" to the rescue of the source code?   Tue Jan 27, 2015 2:47 pm

OldTimes wrote:
wag wrote:
Neither Jobs nor Gates could program anything but their jew marketing monopolies.  Linus on the other hand is dangerous!

It's much more difficult for open-source jewish 'contributers' to write in backdoors to the kernel with someone like Linus to get it past.


China will move to Linux by 2020 in 'de-Windowsifying' process
Chinese government advisor invents new word
By Chris Merriman
Fri Oct 31 2014, 13:44

CHINA HAS DISCLOSED plans to move its systems to a state-endorsed version of Linux by 2020.


The Red State, which earlier this year denounced Microsoft Windows 8 as a spyware tool on the lunchtime news, has been developing its own flavour of Linux, based in part on an earlier attempt based on Ubuntu, called Kylin.

'NeoKylin', as the OS is understood to be called, is already due to appear on a range of Dell machines manufactured for the Chinese market.

It has now been confirmed that Professor Ni Guangnan, of the Chinese Academy of Engineering, has designed a rollout programme that has been passed by the government and will see all government servers, mainframes and individual machines being replaced.

The plan is to replace Windows-powered machines at a rate of 15 percent per year, give or take 10 percent, over five years.

"We call this a de-Windowsifying movement," Ni told Chinese site Ecns.cn.

Earlier this year, Ni founded the China Information Terminal Operating System Alliance, an umbrella group of Chinese tech companies with the aim of collaborating on reducing the reliance on foreign IT infrastructure.

"At the end of the day, I expect the 15 operating systems to merge into one or two operating systems, while the rest of the developers can shift into providing other relevant services," Ni said.

The "de-Windowsifying" process comes at a time when Microsoft's Chinese operation has been subject to raids and an anti-trust investigation by the government.

"Now is the most vulnerable time for Microsoft in China, and the best time for homegrown software companies to beat it," Ni said.

Microsoft in China was recently responsible for leaking the launch of Windows 9, which turned out to be hogwash, suggesting either than Redmond isn't sending the outpost the memos, or they aren't being read.

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