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PostSubject: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:25 pm

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ISIS Attacks Air Base While Wearing Iraqi Military Uniforms


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One of the most brazen attacks by the group in weeks


ISIS militants donning Iraqi uniforms attacked a military base in Iraq housing U.S. advisers on Friday, but the Iraqi military largely repelled the attack. No U.S. or Iraqi service members were reported killed.

The assault was one of the most brazen in recent weeks by ISIS fighters. According to the Wall Street Journal, an initial wave of fighters attacked the base in suicide vests, followed by a second set of militants firing rockets and mortars.

MORE: ISIS Magazine Claims to Interview Paris Gunman’s Wife

Earlier this week, ISIS fighters captured al-Baghdadi, a town near the air base, which holds roughly 300 U.S. Marines.

ISIS has targeted the base for several months with mortar fire, which U.S. officials describe as largely ineffective. The U.S. military is training Iraqi troops and Sunni tribal members to fight ISIS at the base, according to ABC News.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:46 pm

Let's lay this out...







Since then, Al Qaeda (zio-false flag faux force) has completely fallen off the map. Suspect 

How much about ISIS in JMSM is true, how much is propaganda?  Typical ratio maybe 80/20 in favor of propaganda. 
So we probably are not being told very much about the true nature of ISIS.
ISIS not likely just another Al Qaeda-like incarnation, as would have been logical to just continue calling it Al Qaeda.  No, ISIS is different.

My theory is that ISIS are not terrorists.  The beheadings, sex slaves, Kayla story, etc., all just typical jew-media BS layers.  ISIS instead is a fervent regional/nationalist movement, supplied and funded by some organized anti-Western power base (Iran? Russia? China?).  ISIS field leadership I imagine is very solid, not led by CIA-operatives or Kosher clowns (allah akbar!) despite what might come out of the media.  I imagine they have some good weapons and anti-air capability, but their strength is a moral purpose shared amongst most Iraqis, to take their nation back, which is why there is at least some hesitation to attack them.  As one congressman recently said, we can't turn the region into molten glass. 

Is ISIS the Iraqi version of We the People?  Or a tool of some veiled global power?

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:40 pm

ISIS could be a regrouping of the former Iraqi republican guard. wouldn't explain why they are willingly targeting Enemies of Israel.

Nevertheless they are supposed to target Shia SO that Jew.S.A. can come to the rescue of the Shia and in exchange the Shia must lend a hand in toppling Iran.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:03 pm

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ISIS could be a regrouping of the former Iraqi republican guard. wouldn't explain why they are  willingly targeting Enemies of Israel.

Nevertheless they are supposed to target Shia SO that Jew.S.A. can come to the rescue of the Shia and in exchange the Shia must lend a hand in toppling Iran.

The Syrian border is being watched like a hawk.  The Kurds control the North.  How else could ISIS be supplied but via Iran?  Would give Iran/BRICS huge bargaining power, no?  Catches jews off-guard, apparently.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:06 pm

A Tunnel Expert

Ahmadinejad began professional life as a transportation engineer with close ties to the Revolutionary Guards and an abiding interest in tunnels.

He helped found the Iranian Tunneling Association in 1998, according to the group’s Web site. That year, the Tehran subway began a major expansion, and Iran, in secret, accelerated its nuclear program.

In early 2004, while mayor of Tehran, Mr. Ahmadinejad served as chairman of the Sixth Iranian Tunneling Conference. He praised the leaders of ancient Persia for creating networks of subterranean waterways and called for the creation of new “tunnels” between the government, universities and professional groups.

I ask God to help us all,” he said in a paper. Such tunneling conferences, held regularly in Tehran, draw global manufacturers of tunnel-boring machines — giant devices as big as locomotives that dig quickly through rocky strata. Terratec, an Australian maker, noted early last year that Iran had recently become “one of the most active markets in the world.”

Many of the companies keep offices in Tehran. Herrenknecht, a German firm considered the market leader, lists three. Engineers say Iran has hundreds of miles of civilian tunneling projects under way, including subways in Tehran, Isfahan, and Shiraz, highway tunnels across the country and water tunnels to irrigate the dry interior.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:24 pm

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THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE


In 1976, a scholar translating ancient Sumerian cuneiform texts published the first of his books, The 12th Planet. Zecharia Sitchin described the technological wonders and knowledge of the ancient civilization of Sumeria. What made his work controversial was that he claimed that the Sumerians were aided in starting their civilization by an advanced race of beings called the Anunnaki (Sumerian for ‘those who came from Heaven to Earth'). He described technological wonders possessed by the Anunnaki, and a factional war between the Anunnaki who finally departed the planet around 1700 BC. Furthermore, Sitchin described the home world of these beings as a mysterious planet that periodically returns to the vicinity of the solar system every 3,600 years. Sitchin's translations, when combined with biblical and historical records supporting the existence of ET races in human affairs, made clear the important role by this ancient ET race in the genesis of humanity. Sitchin's translations proved to be very controversial and mainstream archeologists dismissed the work as too speculative. However, there were very influential clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work much more seriously.
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Ever since at least 1947, US based clandestine organizations have been engaged in the reverse engineering of downed ET spacecraft, and communicating with different ET races. The most prominent of the reverse engineering efforts of clandestine organizations have involved a race of ETs commonly described as ‘Grays', similar in appearance to the ET's depicted in Steven Spielberg's famous movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The technology possessed by the Grays was far advanced to anything possessed by humanity, and efforts began immediately to learn about and reverse engineer this technology. The content of Sitchin's work describing an ancient ET race would most certainly have aroused the curiosity of these clandestine organizations in the US and elsewhere. The possibility that the Anunnaki described by Sitchin had attained a level of technological sophistication even more advanced than that attained by Grays was something that had to be seriously explored. Even more perplexing for clandestine organizations, was the idea that this advanced race could one day return to the Earth and again interact with humanity as they did in the remote past.

It is very likely that various intelligence gathering efforts confirmed the validity of some if not most of Sitchin's hypotheses. US and European clandestine organizations would undoubtedly have made it a top priority to gain access to these ancient ET sites in southern Iraq to learn about the advanced technology used by the Anunnaki. Furthermore, they would have been interested in learning more about the purported home world of the Anunnaki in case it did indeed return to the vicinity of the solar system in the near future.

The problem, however, was that the Cold War still existed and Iraq was firmly in the Soviet sphere of influence. With the unlikelihood that Iraq would cooperate with US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to these ancient ET sites, clandestine organizations in the US and Europe had a disturbing policy dilemma confronting them. If the international status quo remained, then at some point the Soviet Union might find these ET sites, and reverse engineer whatever technology existed and thereby eradicate whatever technological advantages the West might hold. Furthermore, if the home world of this race did return, then the Soviet Union would be best placed to respond to whatever contingencies this created.

Given the above scenario, it would have been scarcely imaginable that US and European clandestine organizations wouldn't have developed a top secret set of foreign policy goals whose aim it was to bring about US/European access to Iraq's buried ET technology. The success of the secret foreign policy goals of US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to Iraq's ET heritage and preparing for a possible return of the Anunnaki, lay in promoting international conditions that would allow US/Europe to gain unfettered access to Iraq without provoking Soviet intervention and a full scale crisis in the midst of the Cold War. The way in which this could be done would be to promote a series of regional crises that would ultimately make Iraq dependent on the assistance of Western nations. The solution to the US/European policy dilemma was to sponsor upheaval in Iraq's main rival and regional powerhouse, Iran, that would inevitably force Iraq into a military confrontation with its more powerful neighbor, and thereby create opportunities for greater US/European influence in Iraq.

The primary focus of this secret agenda was that the Shah of Iran would be toppled, and replaced by a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would create havoc in the Persian Gulf region. The success of this radical plan rested in a twofold strategy of first withdrawing the traditional support of the US for the Shah of Iran who maintained a tight hold on political power through his powerful security forces; and second, fomenting an Islamic revolution. This success of this clandestine dual pronged strategy ultimately led to the collapse of the Shah's regime who had to flee from Iran on January 16, 1979.

The new Islamic Republic of Iran was a dire threat to the territorial integrity of Iraq and was an ideological rival to Iraq's Ba'ath socialist system. The new Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein instinctively understood the threat posed by revolutionary Iran to Iraq, and decided to act while the Islamic regime was preoccupied by consolidating itself. Iraq launched a devastating attack in September 1980 that resulted in an eight year war that quickly ground down into a stalemate. Western states along with wealthy Arab states began to support Saddam's regime. The end of the Iran-Iraq war in 1988 occurred simultaneously with a rapidly transforming global political climate. Eastern bloc countries were beginning to collapse and the mighty Soviet Union was in the initial stages of its eventual disintegration into 15 independent republics. With the Soviet Union/Russia rapidly losing global influence, Western states gained greater prominence in Iraq. This was especially true for France and Germany, both of which played important roles in directly financing and aiding Iraq in its long war with Iran.

Soon after Saddam's elevation to power in 1979, he started the construction of a sophisticated network of underground tunnels and bunkers. These elaborate constructions were motivated both by the threat posed by Iranian missile attack, and Saddam's awareness that Iraq's ancient (ET) heritage, much of which lay buried, was the key to his own grandiose plans for regional dominance. It is very likely that at some point in the construction of these underground constructions throughout Iraq, evidence of Iraq's extraterrestrial civilization was first encountered. The complex task of studying and eventually reverse engineering these ET assets would have begun.

Despite its tacit support for Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war, the United States had a distinct disadvantage to its European partners/rivals in gaining access to Iraq's ancient ET sites who had a longer history in assisting Iraq's socialist regime. This meant that US based clandestine organizations had to ‘orchestrate' international events in a way that would fulfill the secret policy goal of gaining unfettered access to Iraq's ET heritage. Under the first President Bush, Iraq and Kuwait became engaged in a diplomatic crisis over the overproduction of oil by Kuwait in 1991. Kuwait's overproduction meant that world oil prices were deflated and Iraq's oil production would not generate the necessary revenue for Iraq to begin the difficult reconstruction process after its costly war with Iran. This resulted in making Iraq more dependent on Western states and clandestine organizations, a result that Saddam would not have been pleased with given his undoubted awareness that financial independence would give him maximum negotiating power over whom he allowed to exploit the ET resources on his territory. Even more vexing to the regime of Saddam Hussein, Kuwait was demanding repayment of the war loans it had given to Iraq during the eight year Iraq-Iran war.

In forcing a change in Kuwait's oil policies Iraq decided to adopt some brinkmanship and massed a large army on its border with Kuwait. At this critical point where Iraq was indicating its intent to possibly invade Kuwait if it did not change its policies, the US Ambassador to Iraq made what appeared to be a ‘crucial error'. In advising Iraq about what the US view was about the simmering Iraq/Kuwait despite, she said: "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts ... such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary [of State James] Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction ... that Kuwait is not associated with America." Given the history of Iraq's relationship with Kuwait, the ‘risk taking' personal psychology of Saddam Hussein, and the antagonistic policy of the Kuwaiti leadership, it could have been predicted that Saddam would interpret this as a green light to invade.

President Bush was a former head of the Central Intelligence Agency and therefore aware of, and likely a member of, US based clandestine organizations set up to reverse engineer ET technology. It is undoubtedly the case that Secretary Baker, as a close friend and former chief of staff for President Bush, would also have been aware of the need for US access into Iraq to reverse engineer whatever ET technology existed. Key figures in the Bush administration were most likely aware of any time line that existed in terms of a possible return of the Anunnaki home world.

Subsequently, Hussein did go ahead with a war against Kuwait on August 1990, and contrary to the message delivered by Glaspie, he found that the US was resolutely opposed to Iraq's invasion and did not favor any compromise over Kuwait. In the diplomatic negotiations over Iraq's withdrawal, the first Bush administration ruled out any concessions to Iraq. This meant that Russian diplomacy, motivated by awareness that a war would appreciably diminish Russia's relative advantage in gaining access to and reverse engineering ET technology in Iraq, would ultimately fail. The US led multinational military intervention that began in January 1991 led to the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait, and resulted in the US for the first time having a strategic foothold in Iraq with a number of Security Council resolutions giving legitimacy to the US presence. The political and military crisis that engulfed Iraq and Kuwait, and led to military intervention first by Iraq, and then by the US, was orchestrated by US based clandestine organizations who desired unfettered access by the West into Iraq.

Unfortunately for the secret policy goals of the first Bush administration, it could not force regime change in Iraq. This meant US based clandestine organizations were now in a strategic bind in terms of accessing and exploiting the ET technology under the control of Saddam's regime. The US did not have the international authority to forcibly replace Saddam's regime and Saddam undoubtedly felt betrayed by the US. Clandestine European groups together with their Russian partners were in a stronger strategic position to their US partners/rivals in gaining access to and exploiting whatever ET technology existed in Iraq. Saddam was intent on having his vengeance against the US and Britain by denying all access to them. Given that the US had the most sophisticated reverse engineering program on the planet and was rapidly developing global preponderance as the world's lone superpower, this was a scenario that was deeply disturbing for US officials aware of the possible implications of the ET technology in Iraq to change the global balance of power. At the same time, European/Russian clandestine groups were concerned over the potential for the US to further consolidate its technological superiority and global dominance if it gained access to Iraq's ET technology.

Another obstacle to the plan of US based clandestine organizations to gain access to ET technology in Iraq, was the surprise election of President Bill Clinton in 1992. Unlike the first President Bush, Clinton was not privileged to information concerning the clandestine programs involving ET technology. Predictably, little happened during the period of the Clinton administration for completing the secret agenda of gaining unfettered access to Iraq's ET heritage. The election of the second Bush administration meant that the agenda of clandestine US organizations for gaining access to Iraq's ET heritage could resume. Many former officials from the first Bush and earlier Republican administrations supporting regime change in Iraq were appointed in the new administration.
In the build up to the threatened preemptive war in Iraq, a number of events had occurred that indicated that clandestine European/Russian organizations were at odds with their US partners/rivals. Germany was the first major nation that publically committed itself to ruling out a preemptive war against Iraq, irrespective of progress in the weapons inspection process that began after passage of Security Council Resolution 1441 on November, 8, 2002. Germany's staking out the ‘extreme position' made it possible for France, and then Russia, to take up the more moderate position of only calling for military intervention if Iraq failed to comply with Resolution 1441. France and Russia, effectively stymied US efforts in passing a further resolution calling for international military intervention in Iraq to remove any proscribed weapons of mass destruction.

Many have viewed the diplomatic opposition by the powerful trio of France, Russia and Germany to a preemptive war as being clearly in the interests of the world community united against the horror of an unnecessary war that would devastate the Persian Gulf region, and usher in more acts of terrorism in the Middle East and elsewhere. There is however evidence that what secretly motivated these nations is the awareness that US access to ET technology in Iraq would constitute a threat due to the growing power of US based clandestine organizations and their secret reverse engineering projects. US technological successes in reverse engineering ET technology must surely have been a concern for their less well funded and technically proficient partners/rivals in Russia, France and Germany. Importantly, European/Russian organizations were able to work within whatever constraints imposed by the regime of Saddam Hussein in reaching a preliminary understanding of the capabilities of this technology. A preemptive war that amounted to a unilateral take over of Iraq by the US and Britain, was something that European/Russian organizations would not support.

It is very likely that European/Russian clandestine organizations had ‘publically signaled' to their US counterparts that a unilateral takeover of Iraq was not acceptable. The destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia on February 1 was very likely a result of the clandestine struggle over who would have access and control over Iraq's ET heritage. On March 5 an unusual amount of seismic activity had begun occurring around the planet. While much speculation surrounded the cause and seriousness of these seismic anomalies, it is worth exploring whether the anomalies were caused by advanced weapons technology that was either being tested or extensively used around the planet. The existence of advanced weaponry that could produce seismic activity, volcanoes and severe weather conditions was publically acknowledged by a speech given by former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, in 1997, where at a conference discussing the threat posed by global terrorism he said: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves..." In a number of books and papers discussing ‘scalar weapons' which are capable of the effects described by Cohen, Tom Beardon suggests that such technology has been developed for decades by the former Soviet Union and other states. He provides extensive evidence that seismic and weather anomalies over the last thirty years have often been caused by these scalar weapons.
If anomalous seismic activity since February 5 was caused by scalar weaponry, then it is very likely that a secret war is occurring between clandestine groups over access and control over ET technology in Iraq. It is likely that European/Russian clandestine organizations are active in such a war that is being used to curtail US efforts to take sole control of Iraq's ET heritage. If a secret war is indeed occurring, then it is likely that in the interim before a new agreement is reached over access and control of ET technology in Iraq, there will continue to be a violent struggle between clandestine organizations that is kept from the public arena. Given the power of the ‘exotic' weaponry possessed by these clandestine groups, this means that the planet is entering a very dangerous period. As long as disagreement exists, and the US continues to project its power and control around the planet, violent opposition by non-US based clandestine groups is likely to occur.

The failure of a diplomatic solution to the Iraq crisis has ushered in a period of intense conflict between US based clandestine organizations with their former partners and now rivals in continental Europe who have aligned themselves with Russia. There is evidence that powerful exotic weapons such as scalar electromagnetic devices are being used around the planet in an effort to warn the US about overstepping itself, and to ‘encourage' a diplomatic solution to the current crisis over access and control of Iraq's ET heritage.

In the present political climate where the Bush administration appears intent on a unilateral foreign policy supported by a small number of loyal allies, there is likelihood of increased global conflict given the threat posed by US clandestine organizations gaining a strategic advantage over their European/Russian rivals. If predictions that the home world of the advanced race of ETs described by Sitchin is soon to reappear are accurate, this may help explain the intensified conflict between US and European/Russian clandestine organizations that currently exists. All clandestine groups may be jockeying for the best position in a race for ET technology and knowledge that may be necessary in a forthcoming ET confrontation/encounter that will determine the future of human civilization as we know it. The US led invasion of Iraq represents success of a decades long secret policy aimed at securing US access to Iraq's ET heritage.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:11 am

Key Town Near US Training Base Falls To IS



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Islamic State (IS) has captured an Iraqi town about 8km (5 miles) from an air base housing hundreds of US troops, the Pentagon says.


   US officials downplayed the fall of al-Baghdadi, which is within striking distance of the Ain al-Asad air base.
Ain al-Asad was itself attacked by IS on Friday though the militants were repelled, officials say.

   Until its fall, al-Baghdadi was one of the few towns in the western Anbar province still held by the Iraqi army.
Rear Adm John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said the development had to be put into perspective.

   It was the first time in the last a couple of months that the militant group had taken new ground, he said.

   Friday’s attack on the air base is prompting some in Washington to question again whether deploying US ground forces against IS can really be avoided - particularly when it comes to recapturing urban areas where air strikes might risk killing innocent civilians, says BBC in Washington.

   US troops stationed at Ain al-Asad are currently training Iraqi forces.

   Rear Adm Kirby said the base had been attacked by a team of suicide bombers.

   Eight militants were killed in the subsequent counter-attack, US and Iraqi officials reported, saying that the jihadists were pushed back by Iraqi troops backed by coalition fighter planes.

   The US marines at Ain al-Asad are part of a force President Obama sent to Iraq to train and advise Iraqi forces in their battle to regain territory lost to IS.

   Washington is spearheading an air campaign against the jihadist group, which seized large parts of Iraq and Syria last year.

- See more at: http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/world-news/198118-key-town-near-us-training-base-falls-to-is#sthash.QGPTodpg.dpuf

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:29 am

Why can I not allow myself to believe just about anything I see or read about 'ISIS'?

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:08 am

Interesting angle of Russia/China/Iran backing IS but I doubt it. Sticking with idea that IS is London/Mossad/Saudi-type project. Divide & Conquer mischief is their stock in trade.
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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:39 am

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Interesting angle of Russia/China/Iran backing IS but I doubt it.  Sticking with idea that IS is London/Mossad/Saudi-type project.  Divide & Conquer mischief is their stock in trade.

The Marine advisors did not appear too concerned (as reported) about ISIS taking the next town over.  But that could be an indication either way (facade?).  I guess we watch and see who benefits.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:04 pm

Operation Inherent Resolve


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Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR), is the U.S. military operation name for the military intervention against ISIL, including both the campaign in Iraq and the campaign in Syria.

Unlike their coalition partners, and unlike previous combat operations, no name was originally given to the 2014 conflict against ISIS by the U.S. government.[1] The decision to keep the conflict nameless drew considerable media criticism.[2][3][4][5][6] U.S. service members remain ineligible for Campaign Medals and other service decorations due to the continuing ambiguous nature of the continuing U.S. involvement in Iraq.[7]


The United States Central Command (CENTCOM) news release noted:
According to CENTCOM officials, the name INHERENT RESOLVE is intended to reflect the unwavering resolve and deep commitment of the U.S. and partner nations in the region and around the globe to eliminate the terrorist group ISIL and the threat they pose to Iraq, the region and the wider international community. It also symbolizes the willingness and dedication of coalition members to work closely with our friends in the region and apply all available dimensions of national power necessary - diplomatic, informational, military, economic - to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL.[8]

Google military deployments.  Lotta units heading there as we speak.


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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:59 pm

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My theory is that ISIS are not terrorists.  The beheadings, sex slaves, Kayla story, etc., all just typical jew-media BS layers.  ISIS instead is a fervent regional/nationalist movement, supplied and funded by some organized anti-Western power base (Iran? Russia? China?).  ISIS field leadership I imagine is very solid, not led by CIA-operatives or Kosher clowns (allah akbar!) despite what might come out of the media.  I imagine they have some good weapons and anti-air capability, but their strength is a moral purpose shared amongst most Iraqis, to take their nation back, which is why there is at least some hesitation to attack them.  As one congressman recently said, we can't turn the region into molten glass. 

Is ISIS the Iraqi version of We the People?  Or a tool of some veiled global power?

I would opt for the latter. It's divide and conquer. I think if ISIS were some sort of 'legit' movement, we would have heard about it through underground channels. I just can't buy the idea that these 'crazy dudes' in pickup trucks could turn the whole mideast into their playground. I think there was an opening to pit different muslim factions against each other, and create more political distraction and resource diversion from the more direct conflicts with Assad/Syria, Iran, Russia (and now Ukraine) etc (Russia now has its hands full) -- jews saw it, and took it. And the question must be asked, "who benefits?"

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:58 am

An image from a video released by the jihadist media arm Al-Hayat Media Centre purportedly shows black-clad Islamic State (IS) group fighters leading handcuffed hostages, said to be Egyptian Coptic Christians, wearing orange jumpsuits before their alleged decapitation on a seashore in the Libyan capital of Tripoli
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Photoshopped.  Why Libya, why now?

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:18 am

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wag wrote:

ISIS the Iraqi version of We the People?  Or a tool of some veiled global power?

I would opt for the latter. It's divide and conquer.

It always is.  The sudden effort to broaden ISIS into Lybia?  Rape/reap now while Putin's attention is elsewhere? 

Headline today reads, ISIS now at Europe's doorstep, Italy wary.  Google military deployments; you find many units, including MP units, medical units... now leaving for the ME, I saw Kuwait, Qatar, and of course Iraq.  Are there more than 710 reasons (i.e., OIL) for focusing there, and maybe just causing distraction everywhere else?  

But didn't we win in Iraq?  Didn't we kill Khadafi like Saddam?  Isn't Iran the threat?  ...No that was last year.  Things have changed, and yet they never do. 

If ISIS has suicide bombers on the doorsteps of Europe, why is Tel Aviv not smoking by now?  Why isn't Kuwait on fire?  No I think this is just about Sunni oil territory in Central Iraq.  Lybia not clear, maybe just to help out some thugs? 

What cards are Iran holding?

Recall before 9-11 when the Taliban was in control of Afghanistan, not due to force (they were always rag-tag), but via shared interests and loyalties.  We saw beheadings then, started with Nick Berg (jew hoax).  Jewish hand/media op, what works stick with.  The highly respected one-eyed Omar in Afghanistan who never makes the news.  All we hear are about Taliban suicide bombers in Pakistan.  Stinks. 

Are there Sunni leaders who are starting to consolidate similar loyalties? 

Of course jews multi-task, but black gold continues to top the list.  Jews don't want Sunnis selling oil like Saddam once did, turning Iraq again into a nation that scares Israel.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:24 am

Ties between ISIS branches

Questions remain over how much direct command and control the ISIS leadership in Syria and Iraq has over its North African affiliates.

The killings of the Egyptian Christians has filled in some of the detail. Before the grisly video was released, ISIS had released photos in its English-language magazine Dabiq, claiming they had been killed. Twisted Evil

"There's certainly communication between the Libyan affiliate and the affiliate in Syria about matters of importance to both of them," said CNN national security analyst Peter Bergen.

He said the ties between Libyan jihadists and ISIS' precursor, al Qaeda in Iraq, "go back a very long time."

The links between the different branches present "a real challenge" for Western leaders, Francona said, as U.S. President Barack Obama asked Congress to formally authorize the use of military force in the war against ISIS.
"While we can come up with a military solution or a military operation in a restricted area like Syria and Iraq, what do we do when it expands to North Africa?" Francona asked.

The script gets a bit chaotic, where one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, so they play it off as skilled juggling?

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:44 am

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I would opt for the latter. It's divide and conquer.

It always is.  The sudden effort to broaden ISIS into Lybia?  Rape/reap now while Putin's attention is elsewhere? 

Headline today reads, ISIS now at Europe's doorstep, Italy wary.  Google military deployments; you find many units, including MP units, medical units... now leaving for the ME, I saw Kuwait, Qatar, and of course Iraq.  Are there more than 710 reasons (i.e., OIL) for focusing there, and maybe just causing distraction everywhere else?  

But didn't we win in Iraq?  Didn't we kill Khadafi like Saddam?  Isn't Iran the threat?  ...No that was last year.  Things have changed, and yet they never do. 

If ISIS has suicide bombers on the doorsteps of Europe, why is Tel Aviv not smoking by now?  Why isn't Kuwait on fire?  No I think this is just about Sunni oil territory in Central Iraq.  Lybia not clear, maybe just to help out some thugs? 

What cards are Iran holding?

Recall before 9-11 when the Taliban was in control of Afghanistan, not due to force (they were always rag-tag), but via shared interests and loyalties.  We saw beheadings then, started with Nick Berg (jew hoax).  Jewish hand/media op, what works stick with.  The highly respected one-eyed Omar in Afghanistan who never makes the news.  All we hear are about Taliban suicide bombers in Pakistan.  Stinks. 

Are there Sunni leaders who are starting to consolidate similar loyalties? 

Of course jews multi-task, but black gold continues to top the list.  Jews don't want Sunnis selling oil like Saddam once did, turning Iraq again into a nation that scares Israel.

The seeming silence from Putin and Assad on Obama's 'war on ISIS' proposal is odd (have jews become more adept at suppressing foreign news, or is there something else going on?). Probably waiting to see how congress responds, but I think everyone knows how that will go.

Jews are already turning this thing into an anti-Assad/regime change thing. ISIS never fails to be the new jew excuse for America to go to war ('Al Qaeda' lost its boogeyman status in the minds of Americans), but Americans are just as war-weary as ever.

The quality of jew propaganda is downright idiotically laughable sometimes - these creatures think they can just play 'Dungeons & Dragons' with people's lives
http://www.newsweek.com/how-isis-can-be-defeated-307423

'How ISIS Can Be Defeated' by 'Max Boot' 2/17/15

[...] The United States should work with the peshmerga, Sunni tribes, the Free Syrian Army and elements of the Iraqi security forces (ISF) that have not been overtaken by Iran's Quds Force, rather than simply supplying weapons to the ISF. Given Shiite militia infiltration, working exclusively through the ISF would risk empowering the Shiite sectarians whose attacks on Sunnis are ISIS's best recruiter.

The United States should directly assist Sunni tribes by establishing a small forward operating base in Anbar Province, and also increase support for and coordination with the Free Syrian Army.

[...] The United States should push U.N. Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura to work in cooperation with the Arab League, the E.U., NATO, the United States and even Russia to create a post-Assad administration that can win the assent of Syria's sectarian communities. [...]
(the entire article is a joke)

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:33 pm

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but Americans are just as war-weary as ever.

The quality of jew propaganda is downright idiotically laughable sometimes - these creatures think they can just play 'Dungeons & Dragons' with people's lives

How much better off would common folk of the region be now had the crypto Bush's not facilitated the earlier  murder/raping/pilaging of the fertile crescent?  Heartless, soulness creatures.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:49 am

Ahh, IS goes into franchise mode like ole' Al Q. Tryin' to fight them raghead turrists is like Whack-a-Mole. Unintended consequences, natch.

Really, all this shite is amazing. A new form of propaganda for the new internet age. Make a couple of videos, cross your fingers, & hopefully you get a new war.
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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:37 am

A common link between Iraqi and Libyan anti-Western militants is former service members who see the permanent loss of their past lives as the end of the world and holy war is all they have left to go for.  

Dismantling the Iraqi army, which pretty much stood down during the US-led invasion, was a deceptive move to create an unnatural enemy and there was considerable debate at the time as to whether it would have bad consequences.

ISIS isn't just another al-Qaeda and could morph into more than a neocon excuse for Mr Gold's Des Moines scenario.  There's apparently no turning back to a peaceful world short of placing legal blame on the architects of war from 9/11.
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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:42 pm

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A common link between Iraqi and Libyan anti-Western militants is former service members who see the permanent loss of their past lives as the end of the world and holy war is all they have left to go for.  

Dismantling the Iraqi army, which pretty much stood down during the US-led invasion, was a deceptive move to create an unnatural enemy and there was considerable debate at the time as to whether it would have bad consequences.

ISIS isn't just another al-Qaeda and could morph into more than a neocon excuse for Mr Gold's Des Moines scenario.  There's apparently no turning back to a peaceful world short of placing legal blame on the architects of war from 9/11.

That last part is a good point.

I think it's too easy to make assumptions about ISIS, or define them by the information that jewish news sources give us. As always, I think you have to look at what they are 'accomplishing' and who benefits. Whatever short term angles that are given for 'ISIS motives', pale in comparison to both the short and long term benefit for jews/international zio objectives. I think if the ex-Iraqi army etc were to really go after who destroyed their country, and saw things as the 'end of days' they'd set their sights on Israel, not other Muslims.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:45 am

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A common link between Iraqi and Libyan anti-Western militants is former service members who see the permanent loss of their past lives as the end of the world and holy war is all they have left to go for.  

Dismantling the Iraqi army, which pretty much stood down during the US-led invasion, was a deceptive move to create an unnatural enemy and there was considerable debate at the time as to whether it would have bad consequences.

ISIS isn't just another al-Qaeda and could morph into more than a neocon excuse for Mr Gold's Des Moines scenario.  There's apparently no turning back to a peaceful world short of placing legal blame on the architects of war from 9/11.

A good point. Often seems to be true that after countries are wrecked or at least destabilized & nationalist secularist leaders are eliminated...religion or ethnic affiliation only thing left to provide cohesion/direction. Iranian Revolution seemed like that. But Khomeini was a London-Jew tool of course.

However IMO dubious to consider IS as authentic grass-roots uprising. Int'l reach from Syria to Iraq & now Libya suggests strong degree of foreign control.
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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:05 am

Assad is entrenched, but the goyim are war-weary. ISIS is the answer. The beheading of christians in Libya was meant to get the schmucks on board for an intervention.

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I love how they have the sheep chanting isis over and over again.
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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:09 am

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Assad is enrenched, but the goyim are war-weary. ISIS is the answer. The beheading of christians in Libya was meant to get the schmucks on board for an intervention.

Isis-Ra-El

I love how they have the sheep chanting isis over and over again.

I love how all the ISIS photo ops have alahakbars pointing to the sky like NBA basketball players.

Assad has always reminded me of a cross between Roberto D'Aubisson (El Salvador) and Salazar (Portugal), though not quite as charismatic as either. Of course jews want him out, he's a diehard nationalist. ISIS is a jew battering ram, a carrot stick for goyim rabbits.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:36 am

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Assad is enrenched, but the goyim are war-weary. ISIS is the answer. The beheading of christians in Libya was meant to get the schmucks on board for an intervention.

Isis-Ra-El

I love how they have the sheep chanting isis over and over again.

I love how all the ISIS photo ops have alahakbars pointing to the sky like NBA basketball players.

Assad has always reminded me of a cross between Roberto D'Aubisson (El Salvador) and Salazar (Portugal), though not quite as charismatic as either. Of course jews want him out, he's a diehard nationalist. ISIS is a jew battering ram, a carrot stick for goyim rabbits.


+1 Wonk Credit, heh.  Remember D'Aubisson coverage but JMSM rarely showed photos/videos IIRC.  Maybe 'cause Roberto was a Flaming Crypto?



Assad not a great orator but in speech linked below shows himself as seemingly sincere & well-spoken.  Have heard (long ago) credible hearsay from a Syrian college student in the US that Assad regime was yes, something of a police state.  IE open dissent quickly & harshly punished.  OTOH the college student at least felt free about mentioning such criticism to Americans which says something.

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PostSubject: Re: Making sense of ISIS   Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:30 pm

Islamic State militants blow up the central library in the Iraqi city of Mosul

World  February 23, 12:57 UTC+3

10 thousand of library's books were destroyed, including rare copies on culture, philosophy, Arab history and hundreds of manuscripts




ABU DHABI, February 23. /TASS/. The militants of Islamic State extremist organization have blown up the central library in the second largest city of Iraq — Mosul, located 400 km north-west of the capital Baghdad, the Arab online newspaper Elaph has reported. Mosul has been under control of Islamic State armed groups since July 2014.
The explosion caused strong fire, which spread to all areas of the three-storey building, the director of Mosul library Ghanem at-Taan has said. The Islamic State militants started a fire of books and manuscripts of the cultural heritage of Iraq in the courtyard of the library, which was considered one of the oldest in the country. In total, around 10 thousand books were destroyed, including rare copies on culture, philosophy, Arab history, and hundreds of manuscripts.
According to eyewitnesses, the Islamic State purposefully destroys libraries throughout the territory controlled by the group. Thus, according to a member of the Board of Anbar province, Adal al-Fahdaui, only during the last week the Islamic State radical destroyed several libraries, burning more than 100 thousand books.

http://tass.ru/en/world/779192

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