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PostSubject: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:55 pm

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A Munich court on Wednesday sentenced a previously convicted Holocaust denier and ex-lawyer to a second jail term, after she publicly declared that there had been no organized genocide of the Jews under Adolf Hitler.

In an almost 100-minute address, video footage of which was used as evidence in her trial, Stolz stated before a crowd of 2,000 people there was no hard evidence of either Nazi plans or orders "to partially or wholly destroy Jewry".

Therefore it was in itself a breach of the law that people like her who defended others put on trial for Holocaust denial should be prosecuted, she argued.

Denial of the Holocaust is illegal in Germany and several other EU countries.

Stolz, whose husband is a jailed Holocaust denier, was sentenced on the same charge in 2008 and served three years and three months in a Bavarian jail before she was released in 2011.

The following year she accepted an invitation to speak at a conference organized in Switzerland by the 'Anti-Censorship Coalition' (AZK).

Three months after the event, a Swiss lawyer filed a criminal complaint, accusing her of transgressing Swiss race law by stating that the Holocaust was unproven in court and that findings on its location and time, perpetrators, methods and numbers killed were lacking.

At Wednesday's final hearing of the case at the Munich District Court, Judge Martin Rieder rejected the defendant's claim that she was protected by her rights to freedom of speech.

Hardly any other event in world history had been so well researched and documented as the extermination of Jews in Europe by the National Socialists, Rieder told the court.

Even if no written order by Adolf Hitler or his inner circle could be presented, it sufficed to read the Nazi leader's intentions as documented in Mein Kampf, he added.

Hitler's 1925 autobiographical manifesto clearly advocated the eradication of the Jews and other categories of people, Rieder said.

As well as a count of 'incitement of the people', Stolz's sentence included time for unauthorized use of an official title. Documentation was produced which carried her name and a lawyer's stamp, despite the fact that she was barred from practising after her earlier conviction.

Stolz was previously jailed for statements she made while defending Ernst Zündel, a German publisher known for his Holocaust denials. Zündel was jailed in 2007 for the offence.

Six million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust by the Nazi regime and its allies. Hundreds of thousands of members of other minorities, including Sinti and Roma, disabled and homosexuals also died in Nazi death camps.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:43 am

Would be nice to be fluent in German so as to be able to read court transcripts.  One assumes Judge Rieder did some skillful semantic acrobatics to justify his treachery.  Even Holocaust™ admits that there's virtually no paper trail from Hitler to the "gas chambers".  Judge Rieder claims Mein Kampf was a template for the Holocaust™ but evidence is less than thin:

http://ww2history.com/key_moments/Holocaust/Hitler_talks_of_Jewish_annihilation


Indeed, in Mein Kampf, written in the early 1920s, Hitler explicitly linked the imagined deceit of the Jews in the First World War with the need for their destruction, saying that the ‘sacrifice of millions at the front’ would have been prevented if ‘twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas.’


Of course the "Allies" first used poison gas & "fifteen thousand" hardly amounts to a genocide plan.

http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%206644.pdf

Before he wrote Mein Kampf, Hitler had advocated the removal of Jews from Germany. However, in the book he used veiled terms to call for the actual murder of the Jews.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:06 am

The idea of using words as evidence of a deed, is ludicrous verging on satirical. The idea of imprisoning someone for words disproving a deed, is criminal.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:45 am

This is the speech that got her 20 months in jail. The second time.

(English subtitles)

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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:08 pm

How does that jive with this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670139/German-shops-sell-Mein-Kampf-Country-forced-allow-Hitlers-manifesto-sold-time-1945-copyright-held-state-Bavaria-expires.html

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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:40 pm

As long as all the profits from the German edition of Mein Kampf go to Holocaust survivors, I think the Jews can live with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:03 pm

An excellent example of the principle of freedom of speech - as it is really applied - in the real world.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:04 pm

laconas wrote:
This is the speech that got her 20 months in jail. The second time.

(English subtitles)


Great vid.. Did you spot the jew tailing her during that last interview at the end of the vid ?

Somebody better get that woman 24/7 protection.







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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:11 am

laconas wrote:
As long as all the profits from the German edition of Mein Kampf go to Holocaust survivors, I think the Jews can live with it.

David Irvinberg was in prison (Total isolation) . I myself was in Spandau Prison for 17 yrs
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:26 am



Great vid.. Did you spot the jew tailing her during that last interview at the end of the vid ?

Somebody better get that woman 24/7 protection.






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Which one?
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:49 am

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An excellent example of the principle of freedom of speech - as it is really applied - in the real world.

It's a demonstration of Jewish power at this point.

This woman also served prison time.

http://justice4germans.com/2015/01/24/frau-ursula-haverbeck-declares-victory-we-can-now-dismiss-auschwitz/
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:46 am

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Which one?

The one with the glasses who  keeps his ear pointed in the direction of stolz and  has worn the yarmulke so long it left a bald spot on his head.

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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:37 am

Yep, those Jews have someone everywhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:49 am

wag wrote:
How does that jive with this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670139/German-shops-sell-Mein-Kampf-Country-forced-allow-Hitlers-manifesto-sold-time-1945-copyright-held-state-Bavaria-expires.html

"An e-book version of the work, topped Amazon’s bestseller charts earlier this year."

Sounds contrived, some new trick to claim about "new wave of anti-Semitism" or whatnot. First the book is already avail for free & second, it's a lengthy & sometimes tedious read, not exactly suited for modern 140-character attention spans.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Sat Feb 28, 2015 2:05 am

EyeBelieve wrote:
wag wrote:
How does that jive with this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670139/German-shops-sell-Mein-Kampf-Country-forced-allow-Hitlers-manifesto-sold-time-1945-copyright-held-state-Bavaria-expires.html

"An e-book version of the work, topped Amazon’s bestseller charts earlier this year."

Sounds contrived, some new trick to claim about "new wave of anti-Semitism" or whatnot.  First the book is already avail for free & second, it's a lengthy & sometimes tedious read, not exactly suited for modern 140-character attention spans.

The new German version is hyper-bloated with propaganda annotations, making it over twice the size of the original, similar to how the modern English version is stamped with an introduction from none other than Abe Foxman. The annotations bring the size from the original 700-ish pages to now around 2,000 pages. Who wants to go through 1,300 pages of jew pseudo-historical sludge, beyond the 700 pages of Hitler?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/world/europe/hitler-annotated-mein-kampf-planned.html?_r=0

Germans should just get someone to do an audio version, but then jews would likely just send them to prison. Best source for Hitler's message is to read the speeches (best translation in English probably N.H. Baynes, originally published in 1942 by Oxford University).

Mein Kampf audio in English - actually a pretty good delivery. In case anyone gets bored of the radio...
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlersMeinKampf-CompleteAudioBookMp3



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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:14 pm

laconas wrote:
This is the speech that got her 20 months in jail. The second time.

(English subtitles)

Short interview after the speech - I think some folks here and elsewhere can appreciate what she has to say. By the way, the host and organizer of the Anti-Zensor-Koalition (the guy who introduces her to the crowd, Ivo Sasek) also got charged.


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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:20 pm

They got Jews everywhere watching just in case the Germans try free themselves.
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PostSubject: Re: Ex-lawyer jailed again for Holocaust denial   Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:26 pm

EyeBelieve wrote:
wag wrote:
How does that jive with this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2670139/German-shops-sell-Mein-Kampf-Country-forced-allow-Hitlers-manifesto-sold-time-1945-copyright-held-state-Bavaria-expires.html

"An e-book version of the work, topped Amazon’s bestseller charts earlier this year."


Sounds contrived, some new trick to claim about "new wave of anti-Semitism" or whatnot.  First the book is already avail for free & second, it's a lengthy & sometimes tedious read, not exactly suited for modern 140-character attention spans.

A Mein Kampf for Dummies would make world news. Kids are the last group they want reading this.
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