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PostSubject: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Tue May 19, 2015 3:53 pm

Deal with the devil? Baghdad turns to Iranian-backed militias in bid to retake Ramadi

Published May 19, 2015


The Iraqi Army’s humiliating defeat in Ramadi has left Baghdad with little choice but to make a deal with the devil – the battle-hardened and Iranian-backed Shia militias that offer the best chance of retaking the key city, say experts.
Shia militias, including the formidable Badr Brigade – Shia fighters who sided with Iran during the 1980s Iraq-Iran war -- are massing outside the city, some 70 miles west of Baghdad. Their plan is to go in with Iraqi Army troops and oust ISIS, which raised its flag over the city center on Sunday.
“The Iraqi Army and the Shia militias are regrouping, and preparing for a counter-offensive in Ramadi,” Rick Brennan, a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation who spent five years as a senior adviser to the U.S. military in Iraq, told FoxNews.com.
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“In the short term you have the immediate threat of ISIS, but in the long term the deeper threat is to Iraq’s ability to be free and independent of Iran.”
- Rick Brennan, RAND Corporation
ISIS took the heart of Ramadi, the largest city in Anbar province, after a well-coordinated wave of truck bombs paved the way for fighters to pour in and rout dug-in Iraqi forces. An estimated 500 soldiers and civilians were killed and thousands sent fleeing, leaving behind U.S.-issued weaponry.
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, himself a Shia Muslim, immediately called on the Shia militias, known as the Popular Liberation Force, to come to Anbar to help fight ISIS, ignoring U.S. concerns their presence could spark sectarian bloodshed in a nation where deep divisions exist between Islam’s two main sects.
Some 3,000 Shia militiamen are reportedly encamped at a military base outside the city. Youssef al-Kilabi, a spokesman for the Shia militias fighting alongside government forces, told the AP on Monday that the Iranian-backed paramilitary forces have drawn up plans for a Ramadi counter-offensive in cooperation with government forces.
"[We will] eliminate this barbaric enemy," al-Kilabi vowed.
Iran's Defense Minister Gen. Hossein Dehghan flew to Baghdad on a surprise visit for urgent talks with Iraqi leaders.

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ISIS hold Ramadi fornow, but the Iraqi army and Shia militias are preparing a counter-offensive. (AP)
While the Iraqi government, Iran and the Shia militias, who have all sworn allegiance to Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei, for now share the common goal of defeating ISIS, analysts as well as Sunnis warn that the increasing dependence on Iran will threaten Iraq’s sovereignty down the road.
One U.S. official, speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, described Ramadi as "a powder keg" and said any use of militia has "got to be dealt with very, very delicately."
"There's the potential it can go very, very badly," the official said, without predicting such an outcome.
In the Sunni-majority Anbar province, tribal elders also object to Baghdad’s invitation to Shia militias, saying the government should instead be arming volunteer fighters there.
"If the Shia militias enter Ramadi, they will do the same things being done by [ISIS]," Abu Ammar, an Anbar native who owns a grocery store in Ramadi, told the AP. "In both cases, we will be either killed or displaced. For us, the militias and [ISIS] militants are two faces of the same coin."
The Shia militia fighters were responsible for some of the Iraq War’s most brutal atrocities against Sunnis, and work closely with the Iranian Republican Guard.  The U.S., which is providing air and logistical support but does not have enough people on the ground to effectively help in an urban counter-offensive, has insisted that the Shia militias work under the supervision of Iraqi Army officials. Although the militias have agreed to those terms for now, Iraq’s dependence on them could complicate matters.
“In the short term, you have the immediate threat of ISIS. But in the long term, the deeper threat is to Iraq’s ability to be free and independent of Iran,” Brennan said. “Dependence on the Shia militias, who have sworn allegiance to the ayatollah, is a problem.
The Popular Liberation Forces number about 70,000, including a core of 15,000 hardened fighters who most recently did battle at Tehran’s behest in Syria, where they fought Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Free Syrian Army, Brennan said. Iraq may need their help now, but giving them an official role in the fight against ISIS could further entrench them as both a political and military force within Iraq, Brennan said.
“I call it the ‘Lebanonization of Iraq,’ where you could end up with a central government, but one that is unable to assert itself by the exclusive monopoly of the use of force,” Brennan said.
Republican senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, among the most outspoken critics of Obama’s foreign policy, also expressed concern about Iranian-backed Shia militias launching an offensive.
"Whatever operational success [Shia] militias may have in Anbar would be far exceeded by the strategic damage caused by their violent sectarianism and the fear and suspicion it breeds among Iraqi Sunnis," they said in a joint statement.

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Wed May 20, 2015 3:07 am

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"If the Shia militias enter Ramadi, they will do the same things being done by [ISIS]," Abu Ammar, an Anbar native who owns a grocery store in Ramadi, told the AP. "In both cases, we will be either killed or displaced. For us, the militias and [ISIS] militants are two faces of the same coin."


From a local perspective, the outcomes are dire.  They want an authentic Iraqi army to come in there and save their city, but most of the former Iraqi army have either gone over to ISIS or left (what's left of) the country.  Normal Sunnis are mostly the victims.

Hmm ...


To answer your question, yes Iranians alongside Shiite militia will be allowed to fight it out with ISIS; kill each other in droves, and while this will be welcomed by Baghdad, it will hardly earn Iran much 'credit' from the US.

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Wed May 20, 2015 8:34 am

The US plans are to recruit Shia militias and once they are 'friendly' to use those shia militias to take over Iran.

This strategy was already planned and published back in 1996

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Wed May 20, 2015 9:27 am

Vidarr wrote:
The US plans are to recruit Shia militias and once they are 'friendly' to use those shia militias to take over Iran.

This strategy was already planned and published back in 1996

Can you dig up the old report?

Setting:  Iran being Israeli enemy number one, the rest of Islam being something jews despise and would get pleasure in obliterating, with Al Qaeda done at this point, and an existing power vacuum, etc... 

They create, recruit and arm ISIS (all new western weaponry) and label them the new bad guys.  Give them support and intelligence to score little victories and steal oil and antiquities...  They infiltrate the Shia militia and steer them into action against the new bad guys.  Pentagon playing coy.  Not clear what ensues, and if jews would be in control enough to manage the result.  Odd that US seems to be in a lull in terms of dropping bombs on the heads of Arabs.   scratch

But we know, lacking in creativity, jews like to resurrect old ideas.  Recall the Iran/Iraq war of the 80s, where they were supporting both sides with intel and weapons, for the purpose of weakening both and possibly regime change in both.  Saddam didn't thwart the plan, just delayed it for Iraq by a decade.  Iran never saw the jew-desired regime change.  But now, Iran is prosperous, aligned with BRICS, and has popular leadership. 

At this point, Iran's involvement in supporting anti-ISIS insurgencies may actually sway Iraq toward Tehran.  Blowback in the face of the jews?  Seems part of the puzzle/script is lacking, maybe hastily being scribbled out.. We shall see.

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Wed May 20, 2015 10:30 am

wag wrote:
Vidarr wrote:
The US plans are to recruit Shia militias and once they are 'friendly' to use those shia militias to take over Iran.

This strategy was already planned and published back in 1996

Can you dig up the old report?.

http://www.dougfeith.com/docs/Clean_Break.pdf



Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by
weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam
Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right
— as a
means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions
recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq.[..]

Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically,
militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal
alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling
elite.


King Hussein may have ideas for Israel in bringing its Lebanon problem under control. The
predominantly Shia population of southern Lebanon has been tied for centuries to the Shia
leadership in Najf, Iraq rather than Iran. Were the Hashemites to control Iraq, they could use
their influence over Najf to help Israel wean the south Lebanese Shia away from Hizballah,
Iran, and Syria. Shia retain strong ties to the Hashemites: the Shia venerate foremost the
Prophet’s family, the direct descendants of which — and in whose veins the blood of the
Prophet flows — is King Hussein.

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Wed May 20, 2015 9:30 pm

ISIS = Jew creation
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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Thu May 21, 2015 9:43 am

ISIS is said to have just taken control of Palmyra Syria, which was recently evacuated. 

Seems odd in light of http://laconics.forumotion.com/t3826-breaking-sort-of-on-non-western-media-jews-silent (earlier in the week). 


Google map shows that there are only a few accesses into the relatively secluded ancient desert oasis town.

Might this latest turn be a Syrian strategy to trap ISIS and completely wipe or starve them out?

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Fri May 22, 2015 1:50 am

wag wrote:
ISIS is said to have just taken control of Palmyra Syria, which was recently evacuated. 

Seems odd in light of http://laconics.forumotion.com/t3826-breaking-sort-of-on-non-western-media-jews-silent (earlier in the week). 


Google map shows that there are only a few accesses into the relatively secluded ancient desert oasis town.

Might this latest turn be a Syrian strategy to trap ISIS and completely wipe or starve them out?

Reports on Syria recently are "Assad is about to fall" and "ISIS (neé bagel-munching contract jihadis) are being defeated." Seems to me it may be neither is the case at the moment.


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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Fri May 22, 2015 1:54 am

Two more terrorists injured in Syria moved to Israeli Poriya hospital

20 May، 2015

Occupied Jerusalem, SANA – The Israeli Poriya Hospital in Tiberias in occupied Palestine received on Wednesday at dawn two terrorists who were injured in the ongoing military operations in Syria.

One of the terrorists had shrapnel wounds in one of his eyes and in his left leg, while the other terrorist had severe wounds in his hands, the Israeli website (Walla) reported.

More than 173 wounded terrorists have been hospitalized at Poriya so far, according to the website. Three wounded terrorists were moved to the hospital three days ago.

However, there are conflicting figures on the number of injured terrorists who have been admitted to Israeli hospitals. According to Israeli sources, there are 1600 wounded terrorists at hospitals in the occupied territory.

Hospitalization is only one form of the support the Israeli authorities overtly provide the terrorist organizations with. This support has mounted to the Israeli army launching assaults on sites inside the Syrian territory to support the terrorists.

Reem/H.Said


http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=41604

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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Fri May 22, 2015 1:56 am

Jacob Gold wrote:

ISIS = Jew creation


'Kosher jihadis'


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PostSubject: Re: Will the US let ISIS get wiped out by Iran-backed militia?   Fri May 22, 2015 12:07 pm

FrontierJustice wrote:
Two more terrorists injured in Syria moved to Israeli Poriya hospital

20 May، 2015

Occupied Jerusalem, SANA – The Israeli Poriya Hospital in Tiberias in occupied Palestine received on Wednesday at dawn two terrorists who were injured in the ongoing military operations in Syria.

One of the terrorists had shrapnel wounds in one of his eyes and in his left leg, while the other terrorist had severe wounds in his hands, the Israeli website (Walla) reported.

More than 173 wounded terrorists have been hospitalized at Poriya so far, according to the website. Three wounded terrorists were moved to the hospital three days ago.

However, there are conflicting figures on the number of injured terrorists who have been admitted to Israeli hospitals. According to Israeli sources, there are 1600 wounded terrorists at hospitals in the occupied territory.

Hospitalization is only one form of the support the Israeli authorities overtly provide the terrorist organizations with. This support has mounted to the Israeli army launching assaults on sites inside the Syrian territory to support the terrorists.

Reem/H.Said


http://www.sana.sy/en/?p=41604


Jews don't work for free, so how much is this costing us taxpayers?

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