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PostSubject: Galileo and Freemasonry   Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:21 pm


Galileo and the Freemasons

Posted on July 24, 2010 by danburstein

There was an interesting article about Galileo relics in Florence in the New York Times recently, that pointed up early the interest of early Italian Freemasons in the 18th century in Galileo as a hero, role model, and forward thinker–and virtual “saint.

Describing the aftermath of Galileo’s death, the article reports:

“The scientist’s troubles did not end with his death in 1642.

“As a heretic he could not be given a proper church burial. But for years after his death, his followers in the circle of the grand dukes of Tuscany pushed to give him an honorable resting place.

“Nearly a century later, in 1737, members of Florence’s cultural and scientific elite unearthed the scientist’s remains in a peculiar Masonic rite.
Freemasonry was growing as a counterweight to church power in those years and even today looms large in the Italian popular imagination as an anticlerical force.

According to a notary who recorded the strange proceedings, the historian and naturalist Giovanni Targioni Tozzetti used a knife to slice off several fingers, a tooth and a vertebra from Galileo’s body as souvenirs but refrained, it appears, from taking his brain. The scientist was then reburied in a ceremony, “symmetrical to a beatification,” said Mr. Galluzzi.

“After taking their macabre souvenirs, the group placed Galileo’s remains in an elegant marble tomb in Florence’s Santa Croce church, a pointed statement from Tuscany’s powers that they were outside the Vatican’s control. The church has long been a shrine to humanism as much as to religion, and Galileo’s permanent neighbors include Michelangelo, Machiavelli and Rossini.”

If you want to read the full text, it is available here at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/world/europe/23galileo.html?_r=1&emc=tnt&tntemail0=y

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:22 pm

The Heliocentric Hoax

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James V. Forsee





About four hundred years ago a great debate challenged the Catholic world and it has still not recovered from the crushing blow of heliocentrism. Aside from the intrigues of the Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy, Nicholaus Copernicus (1473-1543), Galileo Galilei (1564-1642), and Albert Einstein (1879-1955) are three of the most prominent architects of this New Age hoax.

Copernicus, who taught the theory that the earth both rotates on its axis once a day and revolves around the sun once a year, rejuvenated this ancient Babylonian myth call heliocentrism. This re-hashing of the error of Aristarchus(1) was actually nurtured by astrology for generations, and most scholars acknowledge that those who embraced this deception after the death of Christ were Bible-hating pagans. During the Life of Copernicus this novelty was sustained via the network of Freemasonry. This satanic craft, shrouded in symbolic sophistry, has as its main objective the destruction of Christ’s Church (Truth).

The renowned Catholic historian, William Thomas Walsh, in his bibliography, Philip II, examines an unfinished article from that period entitled The New Atlantis. This work, by the revolutionist Francis Bacon, was a veiled description of the Freemason machinery as it operated in Europe around the 1500’s and is claimed by modern Masons to be their own.
Bacon’s piece acknowledges that subversive "members of the order control medicine, science, astrology . . ."(2) Even today, according to the revisionist historian Ralph Epperson, Masonry claims the sun as their symbol!

It was not, however, until Galileo that heliocentrism was used to subvert the Roman Catholic world view (geocentrism). Solange Hertz, a contemporary Catholic historian, reveals that Galileo, usually in need of money, "was easily inspired and financed by the group of revolutionary spirits who clustered about Cosimo de Medici II in Florence."(3)

Perhaps because of their influence, Galileo lied to the Church and College of Cardinals and resumed teaching the theory as a fact. He, "the wrangler", had a tendency to mock his opponents and to overstate his case.(4) God’s Providence, it seems, arranged a Saint and Doctor of the Church, Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, S.J., the Master of Controversial Questions, to refute the Galileo heresy. Despite Bellarmine’s impeccable refutation, the lack of viable proofs submitted by Galileo, and the failure of modern science to verify heliocentrism, Galileo has become the "light" and "Father of Modern Science", while the Church, our Mother, appears "dark" and defunct.

Modern science texts to this day, dominated by secular humanists, state that Galileo proved the Copernican sun-centered theory. The fact is, he proved nothing. Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859), who sought to formulate the known facts about the universe into a uniform conception of nature in his Cosmos (5 Vols, 1845-1862), said quite candidly: "I have already known for a long time that we have no proof for the system of Copernicus . . .but I do not dare to be the first one to attack it."

Bernard Cohen in Birth of a New Physics, 1960, concurs: "There is no planetary observation by which we on earth can prove the earth is moving in an orbit around the sun."

Before previewing and/or summarizing some of the well-known scientific experiments and their conclusions regarding heliocentrism vs. geocentrism, one must be aware of the Catholic Church’s position concerning science.
One, too, must understand the philosophical and psychological implications inherent in the dethronement of man from the center of the universe. And one must not be so naive as to think that such subtleties are not systematically employed by Satan and his agents in the ultimate plan to destroy the Catholic Church.

This Church teaches that there is no contradiction between science and religion, and that faith is higher than science, and in fact, that theology is the Queen of the Sciences. Nevertheless, because of the machinations of the Evil One, this cancerous heresy, heliocentrism, succeeded in displacing man from the center of the universe, where Jesus Christ came to redeem man. But more importantly, it appeared to have discredited Holy Scripture.

Indeed, the far-reaching consequences of this cannot be underestimated. A contemporary Catholic scholar, Paula Haigh, in a letter to The Remnant (May 12, 1989) speaks her observations most emphatically: "Galileo’s case was decisive in the course of history, and the Church, in her condemnation of the Copernican system, was guided by the Holy Spirit (in spite of all the politics involved) and spoke infallibly for our future guidance."

Walter van der Kamp (1913-1998), founder and past director of the Tychonian Society, affirms: "For the Galileo affair and its aftermath, as all historians of whatever aspect of human action and thought, acknowledge that it has wrought a change in our attitude towards the world, not equaled by anything since Our Lord walked among us."(5) To an incalculable degree, man was spiritually wrenched from his Creator, God.

20th century man may think that it is of no importance whatever whether the sun or the earth was proved to be the center of the universe. But it was then and it is now. History has verified this. To understand it, one must seek to study history on its own terms, and in the context of that era. Before the Galileo heresy the Christian, as opposed to the progressive modern man, was not only geocentric, but theocentric (God-centered).

Before the "earth-movers" arrived on the scene, Western Civilization had an orderly world-view; everything had its place. First of all, man believed in God, the Creator of Heaven and earth, and in Holy Mother the Church. He also believed that God sent His only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to the center of the universe, the motionless earth, in order to redeem man. And, contrary to his worldly 20th century counterpart, man yearned for Heaven where God reigned. The only means of enjoying the Beatific Vision was through Christ’s Church.

All bespoke unity. Man knew the importance of the Church and necessity of belonging to Her. He may have belonged to a certain manor, a certain town, a certain guild, and so on, but the chain of command was virtually unbroken. If he were a vassal, he would be answerable to his lord, and in turn the lord would be answerable to the king, the king answerable to the Pope (primarily in moral matters), and all of these answerable to God. In short, man knew where he stood. All was orderly, all was secure. Man believed and he belonged.

Then, with the new world view, came doubt, the enemy of faith. As the famous English poet, John Donne, so aptly bemoaned: "And new philosophy calls all in doubt." Man, now displaced from the center of the universe, not only sustained a loss of dignity, purpose, and direction, but also he was most tragically and psychologically divorced from God, the all-unifying Creator. This is precisely why this controversy is crucial.

The foremost human authority on this issue is, of course, St. Robert Bellarmine, who knew the perilous consequences of Galileo’s heresy. The following letter of April 12, 1613 was written to an involved party, Fr. Paolo Foscarini, and it decisively and prophetically cautions the 16th century world about the dangers of heliocentrism.
Lest one might believe it is quoted out of context, and also to dispel any doubt, Bellarmine’s entire letter will be cited. The following should indicate why Pope Clement VIII rejoiced that "the Church of God had not his equal in learning."(6) Bellarmine to Foscarini:

I have gladly read the letter in Italian and the treatise which Your Reverence sent me, and I thank you for both. And I confess that both are filled with ingenuity and learning, and since you ask for my opinion, I will give it to you very briefly, as you have little time for reading and I for writing.


'First.
I say that it seems to me that Your Reverence and Galileo did prudently to content yourself with speaking hypothetically, and not absolutely, as I have always believed that Copernicus spoke. For to say that, assuming the earth moves and the sun stands still, all the appearances are saved better than with eccentrics and epicycles, is to speak well; there is no danger in this, and it is sufficient for mathematicians.
But to want to affirm that the sun really is fixed in the center of the heavens and only revolves around itself (turns upon its axis) without travelling from east to west, and that the earth is situated in the third sphere and revolves with great speed around the sun, is a very dangerous thing, not only by irritating all the philosophers and scholastic theologians, but also by injuring our holy faith and rendering the Holy Scripture false. For Your Reverence has demonstrated many ways of explaining Holy Scripture, but you have not applied them in particular, and without a doubt you would have found it most difficult if you had attempted to explain all the passages which you yourself have cited.

Second. I say that, as you know, the Council (of Trent) prohibits expounding the Scripture contrary to the common agreement of the holy Fathers. And if Your Reverence would read not only the Fathers but also the commentaries of modern writers on Genesis, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and Josue, you would find that all agree in explaining literally (ad litteram) that the sun is in the heavens and moves swiftly around the earth, and that the earth is far from the heavens and stands immobile in the center of the universe.
Now consider whether in all prudence the Church could encourage giving to Scripture a sense contrary to the holy Fathers and all the Latin and Greek commentators. Nor may it be answered that this is not a matter of faith, for if it is not a matter of faith from the point of view of the subject matter, it is on the part of the ones who have spoken. It would be just as heretical to deny that Abraham had two sons and Jacob twelve, as it would be to deny the virgin birth of Christ, for both are declared by the Holy Ghost through the mouths of the prophets and apostles.

Third. I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun was in the center of the universe and earth in the third sphere, and that the sun did not travel around the earth but the earth circled the sun, then it would be necessary to proceed with great caution in explaining the passages of Scripture which seemed contrary, and we would rather have to say that we did not understand them than to say that something was false which has been demonstrated. But I do not believe that there is any such demonstration; none has been shown to me.
It is not the same thing to show that the appearances are saved by assuming that the sun is at the center and the earth is in the heavens. I believe that the first demonstration might exist, but I have grave doubts about the second, and in a case of doubt, one may not depart from the Scriptures as explained by the holy Fathers. I add that the words "the sun also riseth and the sun goeth down, and hasteneth to the place where he ariseth, etc" were those of Solomon, who not only spoke by divine inspiration but was a man wise above all others and most learned in human sciences and in the knowledge of all created things, and his wisdom was from God.
Thus it is not too likely that he would affirm something which was contrary to a truth either already demonstrated, or likely to be demonstrated. And if you tell me that Solomon spoke only according to appearances, and that it seems to us that the sun goes around when actually it is the earth which moves, as it seems to one on a ship that the beach moves away, he knows that he is in error and corrects it, seeing clearly that the ship moves and not the beach. But with regard to the error, since he clearly experiences that the earth stands still and that his eye is not deceived when it judges that the moon and stars move. And that is enough for the present.

I salute Your Reverend and ask God to grant you every happiness.'

Are not the words of this great Church doctor and saint eloquent, insightful, profound? Is there any Catholic among us who can find a flaw in it?

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:29 pm

A Freemasonic Lodge in Poland honors Galileo

What is the obedience of Galileo Galilei Lodge and Masonic Triangle Hevelius?
both workshops were erected on charters given by the Grand Orient of Poland. This obedience is described as adogmatic, liberal freemasonry.
http://www.loza-galileusz.pl/en/5.FAQ.php


Famous Freemasons:

Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) Physicist, Astronomer and Philosopher who supported Copernicanism and the “Scientific Revolution.” He originally named the 4 moons of Jupiter the “Medicean stars” after his patron Cosimo II de Medici, who was shown earlier making the “M” gesture.


Johannes Kepler (1571-1630) Astronomer, Astrologer, and Mathematician who wrote “laws of planetary motion” which provided the foundation for Newton’s theory of Universal Gravitation


Isaac Newton (1643-1727) Physicist, Mathematician, Astronomer, Philosopher, Alchemist and Theologian who demonstrated consistency between Kepler’s laws of planetary motion and his theory of gravitation which removed the last doubts regarding heliocentrism.

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:37 pm

Fifteen years later, Bellarmine instigated the arrest and trial of Galileo. Galileo after being shown the deep dark dungeons with rats the size of cats running around and the torture instruments recanted publicly, promised never to preach such "nonsense" about Copernicus heliocentric (sun-centered) system ever again and was spared the pain of torture and death by fire. Bellarmine and other powerful figures in the church feared Galileo as "the resurrected Giordano".




In 1611, Galileo took his telescope with him and went to Rome to present his findings to the pontifical court. Initially many were impressed by his findings as they have yet to appreciate the implications this would have on their religious dogma. It was Cardinal Bellamine who first pointed to Galileo that “You can prove no such thing with your mathematics” and that “physical reality is explained not by mathematics but by the Scriptures and the Church Fathers.”


The scripture said that the heavens and earth were created for the benefits of men; that earth is the center of the universe; that heaven and hell are actual physical locations and that Jesus defied the law of gravity and physically ascended into heaven. How could these be so if according to Galileo, earth was just another planet revolving around the sun? How are we to locate heaven and hell in the Copernican system?

Where is the resurrected Jesus, heaven and hell? How are we to locate them amongst the billions and billions of stars and galaxies in existence? It is now not a simple case of just heaven above and earth below. According to Cardinal Bellarmine, “Hell is a subterranean place distinct from the tombs” and he concluded by saying that hell must be at the centre of the earth based on his so called “natural reason”

After the burning of Giordano and persecution of Galileo, many European intellectuals, scientists and philosophers wanting to continue their research fled to England.
They were reportedly given shelter by freemasons. Such Europeans together with their English counterparts including freemasons eventually became members of the "Invisible College". Members of the Invisible College subsequently petitioned the Crown and formed the Royal Society of London. The strong connection between the Royal Society and Freemasonry is well established.

Within this historical context, the Joshua story and Galileo's heresy may have been linked and found its way into Freemasonry's second degree ritual. The Q & A leading to the second degree appears to be a reaffirmation of Galileo's truth or rather "heresy", known and transmitted in secret and allegory to selected candidates at that time.

Some Masonic scholars read the Joshua story symbolically, the sun standing still is taken symbolically to mean meditation in stillness (timelessness) until the minds are purified of impure thoughts; enemies of men are their impure desires.

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:11 pm

What is it these ehh Freemasons had to gain by claiming the world is round? Please expand.

And if these Freemasons were correct does it still make them evil?

Are Freemasons capable of telling the truth ever?

Why dont you try studying why they didnt know the earth was round and who absolutely knew the earth was round and are never spoken of, the Phoenicians? The Romans had no way of knowing anything outside the Mediteranean totally controlled by Phoenicians.

Maybe the Phoenicians were Masons too? Only one problem, it was the Romans that destroyed all writings of the Phoenicians and not the other way around. This can also all be proven simply by words that originated with Phoenicians. Pythagoras was not a Greek he was a Phoenician and they had the old world knowledge from the Egyptians. To say round earth is not biblical is BS. Pythagoras, one of the worlds best known minds believed in a round earth. Long before kikeinstein. Plato was a freemason too.....total crap!
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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:32 am




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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:56 am

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:26 am

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:10 am

The song and video on Utube ' j EW Talk' so aptly describes them to a T


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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:57 am

Bob Saget wrote:
What is it these ehh Freemasons had to gain by claiming the world is round? Please expand.

I think it's a little like Columbus 'discovering' America. People have known the earth was round for thousands of years, but history doesn't record it as such until jews make it official though whoever vessel they choose.

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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:08 am

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They do have every angle covered. Christopher Hitchens was the shit though.
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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:04 pm

OldTimes wrote:
Bob Saget wrote:
What is it these ehh Freemasons had to gain by claiming the world is round? Please expand.

I think it's a little like Columbus 'discovering' America.  People have known the earth was round for thousands of years, but history doesn't record it as such until jews make it official though whoever vessel they choose.


Nope
The earth is more flat on a plane, but doesnt rotate around a damn thing.
That IS Anti GOD and Anti Scripture.
J EW Fraud Science.

Thats what To gain for them.
But theyve been outed as has all science now, it is ALL being questioned and at the heart of it is Jewry and Freemasonry.



Saint Bellarmine made this clear in his discussion of Galileo's writings in 1616:

"I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun is at the centre of the world and the earth in the third heaven, and that the sun does not circle the earth but the earth circles the sun, then one would have to proceed with great care in explaining the Scriptures that appear contrary, and say rather that we do not understand them than that what is demonstrated is false.

Nor is it the same to demonstrate that by assuming the sun to be at the centre and the earth in heaven one can save the appearances, and to demonstrate that in truth the sun is at the centre and the earth in heaven; for I believe the first demonstration may be available, but I have very great doubts about the second, and in case of doubt one must not abandon the Holy Scripture as interpreted by the Holy Fathers."



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PostSubject: Re: Galileo and Freemasonry   Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:28 am

Why dont you just call the media "freemasons" or the Congress and Senate "freemasons".  It is just another word for a non Jew who was duped, blackmailed or bought off by Jews (kinda like you).
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